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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 0:50:17 GMT -7
I have read old posts regarding letting your Spouse know of Addiction or Church member.
I personally have 30 days and have beat this on my on without SAA or 12 step program or Pastor. If a Man wants to lose credibility, respect, perceived integrity, confidence of fidelity from spouse...be silently judged and ostracized by church family...be thought of as a sick pervert...then confess at your own risk.
Yes the Bible says to confess to one another...but you know people love to pass judgment and talk.
Your intimate relationship with your loving wife would never be the same. How many Men have regretted telling their wife ...only cutting her deep to the heart. They won't forgive you for "Cheating on her"...and will hold bitterness that she doesn't measure up or is attractive like the women her husband has been watching or addicted too.
It would have to a rare woman to "Stand by her Man" and totally forgive and forget.
The old saying "What the Wife doesn't know won't hurt her" would apply to me.
Just my opinion, I just know if I was married I couldn't tell her...I would fight this thing on my own...just between me and God. Her perception of her strong Knight in Shining Armor would be shattered and reduced to a weakling pervert afraid to leave their children alone with him. Total loss of respect.
I know some won't agree...but right now...The forum has the sound of Crickets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 6:42:38 GMT -7
Chirp....chirp....chirp. Boy did you open a can of worms.
I will say this...there are many women on this forum that have stood by their men in spite of their men not being honest with them. The lack of honesty has/had destroyed their relationship with their spouse. Lying is the worst thing an SA can do. Your perception of marriage isn't realistic or biblical. Marriage is a partnership...a close intimate friendship with the added benefit of sexual intimacy. I know respect is a big deal with men which is why they should come clean with their spouse. What tears down respect? Not being able to trust someone. What builds up respect? Them being honest and watching them change and grow and become the person they want to be.
If you do not trust your spouse to stand by you during a difficult time, maybe you married the wrong person. There are just a few incidences where I would advocate divorce. Those being...abuse, both physical and mental, and there being no true change and repentance (basically the refusal to man up).
I would suggest, if you can handle it without triggering, to read some of the women's threads. Ellekay would be a good place to start. Also broken1969, Christmyanchor, kevinskay and his wife Irisaflower are both on here. You also need the perspective of a married man going through this so kevinskay and Braveheart would be good to read and maybe get in contact with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 8:02:33 GMT -7
Why I had a strong feeling you would chime in. Are we the only ones on this board? Everyone is different...some have to be in a support group and some don't. If a man feels he can't beat this thing on his own then I do suggest a group of like-minded individuals that are going through the same thing like A.A. I quit Drinking on my own...Just with the Lord's help no A.A. or others "knowing my Business". Same with this addiction, that it has a negative stigma of weakness. it is a private thing and you couldn't pay enough money to go before a Church audience of 500 fine Christian folk on a Sunday morning and talk about the Smut. It be Social suicide...How many Pastors would lose face if they did? That's why they don't come forward because of the pain it would cause and maybe even lose their positions. People wouldn't look at them the same way...look at Rev. Jimmy Swaggart. If a man who sincerely acknowledges his problem and can't beat this on his own and tells his wife she may stand by him and help him through it...but not all women will...that's a gamble he will have to take. A man must want to be set free and only the Lord can do that...if he BELIEVES it he can be set free. There were no 12 step programs back in Jesus day...you were set free...period. But if they love the Darkness...they are unwilling to come to light. Where are the addicted Pastors on this board? I do admire the wives who have endured the pain of this scourge and for their love of their husband have helped him through it to recovery...and my heart goes out to those women who gave it their all to sincerely help but lost the battle due to husbands unwillingness to change. Men with their Porn and Women with their Romance novels...Everyone is escaping reality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 8:45:03 GMT -7
I think if you take the time to read my accountabilty thread you will see where I stand. God spoke to me very directly about telling my wife and I have. A few times when I have been reluctant to tell, my wife comes to me and says she had a dream I was acting out. I feel so much better when I can be honest. It also is the main thing that keeps me from acting out. I hate hurting my wife and being a convenant breaker. I have friends whose wives can't handle it so they dont tell. I recently took part in a very intense marriage course by Family Foundations International and they insist that married couples confess everything and anything that is a secret between them. I would say in a good marriage spouses can tell when something is wrong. I am an elder in my church and have confessed to other elders and pastors in our church without being judged. Your attitude only drives sin underground because there is no honesty, confession and grace. I feel badly for the wives here whose husbands don't see and feel or even care about the pain they are causing their wives. BTW there are lots of situations where the roles are reversed and the wife is the one that is addicted. This is not a sin that only targets men. As for overcoming this on your own, it is not recommended anywhere that I have been involved. You may give up one addiction only to replacve it with another. God wants to deal with the underlying root character issues in all of us. It's called santification.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -7
To each his own brother. Sanctification. ..hmm well we will always struggle with sin in our lives in form or another ...I don't think being Sanctified will make a person totally Above committing falling into sin or being addicted.
I'm sure there's plenty of "Sanctified Pastors" who are in bondage.
Why do I think of Jack Nicholson's line " You can't handle the Truth!" Hehe.
What I'm saying...some can't handle the Truth...like your Friends wives...they don't want to Hurt them. It would devastate them..If they can confide in someone like you and with the Lords help they can overcome this without telling their wife.
I know some men wear there Heart on their sleeves and their wife could pick up that something is wrong...especially if they have acted out and had an affair. But that's another story.
Like I said, some wont agree with me and that's fine. If the Lord is leading a man to tell his wife about his porn addiction then he should do so...that's a personal decision.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 14:35:03 GMT -7
We will never be completely santified in this life my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 14:43:56 GMT -7
Most women can smell when something isn't right. And lying only worsens the problem because it will get discovered. I lost a lot of respect for my ex when I stumbled upon his porn use because I straight out asked him before we were married if he struggled with this. He said no. I even told him about my struggle with it. I was completely honest and open with him about it. When I discovered the porn, yes I lost respect because he wasn't honest with me but I was determined to stick with him through the battle ahead and work on our relationship. He continued to spiral out of control and tried to cover it up. When I confronted him on the stuff he viewed, he got physical and I divorced him.
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Post by KevinesKay on Apr 30, 2016 18:53:38 GMT -7
I can see Armored Servants point of view. It can be much easier to choose not to tell the wife in order to avoid the blowup that will occur. Wives probably won't understand why their husbands are doing this. Still, I believe that honesty truly is the best policy. Some thought about why:
If I'm not honest with my wife about where I am pertaining to my sin, then not only am I cheating on her, I'm also lying and deceiving her as well. Great! that's more sins against her.
We're only as sick as our secrets.
Telling her won't damage the relationship, the relationship is already damaged due to my acting out.
Keeping secrets from my wife damages the intimacy between us, something that is vital for our marriage to succeed.
Most wives would want to know, and they would feel that they are entitled to such information being that they are married to their PA husbands.
If a PA doesn't tell his wife, there is a huge possibility that she'll discover his acting out on her own. And when that happens, it will be World War III. I've seen this happen numerous times. And the husband has always seriously regretted keeping this secret from her.
If a PA is consistently lying to his wife, she will lose trust in him. And that trust will be long and hard to earn back.
If someone lies to me, I can deal with it. It doesn't hurt me a great deal. But other people are different. For many wives, lies distort their entire reality. And they play back all the things that occurred since that lie. I think my ex was much more upset about my lies than she was about my acting out.
It's not easy practicing tough honesty with a spouse. It will challenge the relationship to its core. And it may not survive. But I can't find any good reason for a PA to lie to his/her spouse and giving him/her the idea that everything is okay in the relationship. What she doesn't know can hurt her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 21:02:23 GMT -7
A Man doesn't know he has an understanding wife until he tells her about his Porn addiction. Shame and denial is probably the big reason they don't come forward and admit they have a problem. Professional Reputation is another...So many factors as to why men wrestle with this on their own until he either is found out of just confronts his wife about the addiction.
Interesting articles from Psychology Today by Dr. Kevin Skinner PHD
500,00 Divorces due to Porn
Inside Porn Addiction
Here's an excerpt from another site:
Consider also the fact that producers of porn, to survive financially in a highly competitive, multi-billion dollar industry, are compelled to make their product as addicting as possible. As in the junk food industry, where the goal is—through giving patrons a particularly “savory” experience—to get them to repeatedly come back for more, these entrepreneurs’ primary objective has to be to deliberately create craving. All of which should give you a better sense of how difficult it can be for many people not to eventually fall into the quagmire of porn abuse . . . then dependency . . . then, finally, full-blown addiction. They may start out capable of controlling this euphoria-inducing activity. But at some point that control is lost, their better judgment seriously impaired by a now hijacked brain. And once hooked, they’re no longer able to resist the enormous temptation that porn has become for them.
Men are hardwired as sexual beings to procreate. A woman put it this way: Men are sexually motivated. Pen_s = Their brain.
Look at King David with Bathsheba...One look of her naked body and judgement went out the window and had Uriah killed. It's nothing new under the sun...men will fall at the first sight of a naked woman. Lust of the Eyes and the Lust of the Flesh has always been Mans downfall.
This wasn't a Big problem during the 50's through the 80's bust as soon as the Internet was created and Now it in your face. Television commercials, and Advertising companies know that sex sells.
This is a serious problem and this Porn is about as addictive as Crack cocaine. I feel for young boys that are being exposed to this...it isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. Once exposed to Hardcore...Softcore doesn't satisfy.
Pastors don't like talking about this...and when they do and mention the Statistics of Church members ...the Women internally question if their Man has viewed Porn during their marriage or has a "problem" and is in denial.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 5:09:21 GMT -7
Are you kidding me?
"My wife might act differently if she knows i'm a porn addict So I wont tell her"
thats called control and manipulation, witholding significant information she is entitled to have, to make a decision on whether to stay in the marriage.
taking away her ability to make a decision- a form of abuse
leaving her in the dark about all that is wrong with the marriage (that she will be able to sense, trust me, but she will think its her fault probably)
because you dont want her to know what you really have done? You want to appear a man of integrity? Well, sorry, but you're not, and that is something she deserves to know
The only commendable thing in your post is that you are trying to beat this without being found out first. (TRYING to beat. Believe me at 30 days you are not cured. especially when you are determined to keep it secret.
repentance leads to confession to those you have wronged.That includes the wife whose covenant a porn using husband has defiled.
I'm glad you arent married.....thats all i can say
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 8:51:41 GMT -7
"My wife might act differently if she knows i'm a porn addict So I wont tell her" That's not a direct quote from me. Christ's Love in you doesn't seem to be showing that to me. Sounds more like a feminist man hater. I should be congratulated for my 30 days on my own. I AM walking in integrity and if I was married I wouldn't tell my my wife at this point. Thank you for telling me that your glad I am not married...what a blessing from a Godly woman. I am single probably due to someone I dearly loved many years ago being raped by 3 men. They approached her from behind as she got out of her car and one knocked out punched her and knocked out her two front teeth. They put a bag over her head and took her to a secluded area and all three had her all night. Threw her on the side of the road... Maybe Porn was a factor in their decision to do what they did. They never were brought to justice. I still wanted her but she told me to find someone better. I have been alone ever since...finding someone I can share my life with is my prayer. I believe God doesn't want me to have an unclean heart for my future wife. There I made a covenant...just me and him...and psychologist say it takes 21 days to break a habit. It surpassed the milestone and headed for another 30 days. One day at a time. Your remark is what's typical of Judgemental Christians.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 0:32:14 GMT -7
i'm not a feminist man hater i am a wife whose most significant pain and emotional and spiritual damage has come from my husband deciding that "what she doesnt know wont hurt her"
so very , very wrong
i was committed to stay with him to help him beat his addiction to share his struggles, to stick with him through his sickness
he decided not to share and to do it on his own. But of course i found out. There was the worst damage
i may not be showing christs love in my bluntness. But a man who decieves his wife is not showing christs love either
oh, and i am still with him. in spite of being in trauma therapy for the reason of his monumental deception
I should be congratulating you? i did commend you for trying to beat this before you ruined someones life. But it actually takes 3 years to rewire your brain. Not 30 days.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 0:44:32 GMT -7
can i just ask you to explain why I am a feminist man hater for saying that witholding significant information on breach of covenant from a spouse is wrong?
I fail to see my gender as relevant
i hate lies, satan is the father of lies i hate adultery i hate deception i hate covering of sins to cover your back
these are the things i hate
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 5:57:20 GMT -7
Admin Hat ON......
Please keep this discussion civil. There is no need to be name calling. We will have different points of view from both sides of this addiction and from different genders. Yes this is a heated topic but it can be handled with civility.
Remeber we are all here to heal and learn.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 15:04:38 GMT -7
When I confessed the sin of P and M many years ago, before my marriage, an old priest said - do not tell this your future wife. After telling my wife about my addiction at the beginning of my marriage I can state - 1. It didn't help me. 2. The horrible knowledge devastated my wife then. 3. After that I had my old problem with this addiction and an addictional one with my wife. 4. Nothing and nobody could help me to beat this smut besides Jesus. 5. All in various forums said it's impossible to get free without telling the wife. 6. I have been free for above two years. 7. Not all my thoughts and deeds must be known by my wife. Only God has right to it. 8. I must admit - the old priest was right.
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