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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 10:52:53 GMT -7
^^^^and now i feel like a completely horrible person
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 11:10:23 GMT -7
I am sorry. You have decided to stay in the marriage so unfortunately this is your war. You can choose not to engage but I will tell you with certainty that doing so will end in disaster and the greatest casualty will be your daughter. I know you blame her issues on this and that is true so either engage and fight or cut your losses now before any more damage is done to her. You do not have the luxury to sit and wait for your marriage to further implode because of what it will do to her. I know I am being harsh and for that I am sorry. I felt the need to speak reality here. Know that I am with you in prayer and will stand with you no matter what you decide.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 11:12:34 GMT -7
^^^^and now i feel like a completely horrible person You are not horrible hon. What You are experiencing is what is horrible. The fact that you have to choose is horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 11:23:43 GMT -7
at the moment the battle to even stay is hard enough. I battle daily to even remain here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 13:38:41 GMT -7
Hugs to you my beautiful sister. You have a way out hon. What your husband is doing is adultery. Take some time to think about your choices. Pray about them and let the Lord minister to your heart and give you peace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 14:14:07 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 12:42:01 GMT -7
Hugs to you my beautiful sister. You have a way out hon. What your husband is doing is adultery. Take some time to think about your choices. Pray about them and let the Lord minister to your heart and give you peace. at the risk of sounding like a stuck record , he claims to have reached break point where he realised everything he had broken and lost blah blah who knows it might even be true but it doesnt take away the damage and i am feeling damaged past coming back from. I'm so done in by this now. I'm so conflicted. I feel like all the spiritual growth I had through earlier trials has now been completely obliterated. I cant start over again.....trying to trust AGAIN......going through months of triggers and anger AGAIN.....those moments of gut-punching shock as I realise what he did AGAIN....... Nothing means anything anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 13:28:56 GMT -7
Hugs to you my beautiful sister. You have a way out hon. What your husband is doing is adultery. Take some time to think about your choices. Pray about them and let the Lord minister to your heart and give you peace. at the risk of sounding like a stuck record , he claims to have reached break point where he realised everything he had broken and lost blah blah who knows it might even be true but it doesnt take away the damage and i am feeling damaged past coming back from Has he shown any difference in his actions and behavior? Have you checked his devices for porn use? I wouldn't trust him on words alone. He is a liar until proven otherwise. Pray about this. God will suport you no matter what you decide. If you are meant to heal from this and stay in your marriage then God will see you through to the other side. If you are meant to part ways so you can heal, God will see you through that as well. I was just listening to a gentleman the other day. His wife divorced him and 8 years later after he overcame his addiction and went into ministry in this field, they met again, dated and remarried. Nothing is impossible with God.
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Post by KevinesKay on Dec 31, 2015 20:23:55 GMT -7
at the risk of sounding like a stuck record , he claims to have reached break point where he realised everything he had broken and lost blah blah who knows it might even be true but it doesnt take away the damage and i am feeling damaged past coming back from. I'm so done in by this now. I'm so conflicted. I feel like all the spiritual growth I had through earlier trials has now been completely obliterated. I cant start over again.....trying to trust AGAIN......going through months of triggers and anger AGAIN.....those moments of gut-punching shock as I realise what he did AGAIN....... Nothing means anything anymore. I don't buy it either. I've had those feelings myself of thinking I'll never do P again. Trying to convince God, others, and myself that I'm a completely changed person. Referring to myself as an ex-PA, I really thought I would never act out again. Only to end up back doing more filth than ever. And when I hear other PAs say similar things, red flags start popping in my head. Perhaps it could happen, someone could get delivered from P, but I've never seen it. I personally believe that we're all broken human beings. We're all sinners. And since I cannot promise anyone that I'll never sin again. What makes me think that I will never sin with P, the one sin that I'm probably most susceptible to? Bottom line for me is that I'm not cured of delivered from P. And I feel a little skeptical when others say things that infer that. I would feel the same way if was a wife going through the same situation. Knowing that I'm not cured or delivered, makes it very important for me to abide in Jesus and depend continually upon His grace, which has provided to be sufficient for me. Lord, Please comfort our friend, ellekay, during this painful time. I commend her devotion to you and to her marriage and family. Guide her and give her wisdom, Holy Spirit. And we also pray for Mr. Kay. That you show him what he needs to do to help rebuild trust back into his marriage. You love him, Lord. And so do we. So please don't give up on them. We pray this in Jesus' name. Thank you and Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 4:02:23 GMT -7
Do you not think there is ever a point where the cost suddenly becomes real to the 'addict' and the pain outweighs the pleasure p promises, and its enough to repel them from it forever? making it actually, the one sin they will never, ever, ever commit again? after all, repentence is a complete 'turning from'. It dosnt mean you no longer sin but you have had a wake up call to THAt sin and its lies will never, ever be lured by them again? It has to be possible, surely. If its not possible, if he will always be suceptible to degrading and violating women and lusting after things outside the marriage, then i'm done. Resisting tempation isnt enough for me. You can only be tempted by the desires of your heart, and if a man cannot stop desiring vile things, well, as a man thinks so he is, and I cannot, simply cannot be with someone who desires to indulge vicariously in satanic orgies, for any reason. If the susceptibility is there, its only a matter of time, I'm just waiting for the slip and that familiar feeling of things not adding up, followed by days of false confessions designed as damage limitation, and then more digging to find out the horrific truth of the man i am married to.
I have to believe there can be complete freedom from this particular sin .(If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation) I have had complete freedom from (literally) sickening compulsive behaviour, I was bulimic 17 years and i hated myself every day for it, I couldnt stop, never for very long anyway, and I couldnt even imagine a thought life that didnt revolve around bingeing and trying not to do it . but it has gone, completely gone, I can say in full confidence that it holds NO appeal in stressed times, or in lonely times or sad times or bored times or good times it is simply not a response that would 'work' for me anymore, nor would the world of bodybuilding 'work' for me anymore, even if i wanted them to! I know its possible to break these maladapted response cycles compltely. If there is one more discovery, after all this, I will finally give up my belief in freedom from addiction, and that will be day I give up on my marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 4:15:58 GMT -7
at the risk of sounding like a stuck record , he claims to have reached break point where he realised everything he had broken and lost blah blah who knows it might even be true but it doesnt take away the damage and i am feeling damaged past coming back from Has he shown any difference in his actions and behavior? Have you checked his devices for porn use? I wouldn't trust him on words alone. He is a liar until proven otherwise. Pray about this. God will suport you no matter what you decide. If you are meant to heal from this and stay in your marriage then God will see you through to the other side. If you are meant to part ways so you can heal, God will see you through that as well. I was just listening to a gentleman the other day. His wife divorced him and 8 years later after he overcame his addiction and went into ministry in this field, they met again, dated and remarried. Nothing is impossible with God. He has ALWAYS shown a difference in his actions and behaviour. He has always stayed clean for a few months. He has always showed consisent character growth after discoveries and has been a Successful Rebuilder in every way. He has always been patient, humble, accepting of responsibility, sensitive to my volatile emotions and triggers. His fruits always appeared to be those of a repentant and changed man. We were planning our new start when i made this latest discovery, believing the past was behind us and me ready to support him in his new venture into ministry, totally behind him and believing he now had integrity. Words, attitudes and behaviour all matched up. Then I found the impossible, a bill showing data use on a phone that wasnt even internet enabled. A phone with a 1 inch screen. A phone that had never, ever been capable of linking to the web, it was foreign, it had never linked and yet there was data use. Data use the day before and the day after we went to check out the new area where we would have our new start together . the day before and the day after we had a family holiday . The day before and the day after he went to a mens ministry weekend where he praised and cheered for Biblical manhood and pledged a stand against violating women..... the only thing that doesnt make this complete denial on my part is this deliverance thing he had which our church elder will only say is 'one of the most unpleasant experiences he had ever had' . I wasnt there, and even if i had been i may have thought it was fabricated. But its the only thing that could make this time different, that and the fact i had to finally ask him to leave, causing consequences for my daughter that had never happened before
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 4:45:15 GMT -7
Good morning Ellekay, I have been reading your posts and watched your testimony hoping to weigh in on your situation in a helpful way. I don't have a clear picture as to what your husband is now doing that hurts you so much. Is he still using,lying and rationalizing his behaviour or are you worried about what he may be doing based on his past failures?
My heart goes out to you as my wife has also experienced the pain and betrayal of my addiction. She has been an amazing wife and support to me. We are a team. I couldn't win this battle without her. My wife is my accountability partner. We work together to shut off every possible access to porn and she questions me regularly when she feels things aren't right. I have to say the improvement in the last year has been remarkable. I went from acting out with porn 10 times in a month to maybe once in 2 months over the past year. I have no access to porn on my devices as I use Covenant Eyes. My wife gets all the reports. I use no social media except FB and my wife even watches what I do there.
I am constantly learning about the roots of my addiction and we talk about why I do these things. Porn is not the cause of my problems it is a symptom. I am looking deeper into my past and dealing with the pain of my childhood. I am forgiving my parents and learning to show compassion to people stuck in sin and addiction. You see 3 years ago I sat in judgement over a group of men that were confessing their use of porn. I was shocked and also self righteous because since becoming a Christian many years earlier I wasn't using porn anymore. I judged them as weak lesser Christians. 1 year later I was involved in cyber sex on a daily basis. I have a whole new attitude about brothers and sisters struggling in addiction. Pride comes before a fall.
Now my wife does go through difficult days. We have an enemy that wants me to fall and wants my wife to think I'm using when I'm not. She can't sleep some nights because of terrible paranoid thoughts that torment her. We have to pray and fight our way through the deceptions and temptations that come. What keeps us going as we near our 40th anniversary this month? We both know for sure God brought us together for life no matter what happens. Our marriage has been difficult at times for most of those 40 years but by God's grace we are still together. I pray God will speak clearly to you both and grant you wisdom and strength. Have a blessed New Year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 7:21:43 GMT -7
Some men say they have been completely delivered of porn and the sin of lust and I am not going to limit God in what He can do. I don't know any personally. Most addicts have to be vigilant in their lives or risk making the wrong choices again. It is a choice and we have to stay close to the Lord and choose Him over our sins.
What worries me about your husband is his ability to pull the wool over peoples eyes. It means that you can not let your guard down. He is going to have to be brutally honest with you in everything to try to gain your trust back. I hurt for you hon.
Braveheart made some good observations about his relationship with his wife. They are a team and she is an accountability partner. They pray together to combat this sin and it's effect on them both. He implied he is understanding of her issues of trusting him and the anxiety she feels. The main thing is that they are a team in this. I don't get that vibe from you and your husband. I get the sense that he sees you as the opposing faction.
I am praying for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 9:51:50 GMT -7
this is the dilemma i have, you cant go forward without trust, and you cant trust unless you decide to let your guard down. The way it happened last time was not through want of filters and accountability reports etc, he was attending SAA and lying to everyone there, keeping a personal journal and lying through it for my benefit, there was no way i could have known, in fact i believe the only reason i found out was the holy spirit because there was nothing suspicious at all, not even in hindsight, nothing was off, he was walking a perfect example of a man doing his best to make up for past wrongs , being humble and patient and demonstrating trustworthiness and prioritising our relationship visibly, walking with God with faith into our future, leaving everything that gave us security, our business and our home and our church for a new start because we were 'being called by God' to do so. Then in the middle of all that i find this impossible stuff and we split then he gets the job and now we have moved 400 miles away and he is in this ministry position and i am 'the Godly man's wife' and he is off at all these prayer meetings with the local people while i sit at home still reeling?
even yesterday i was chatting to him about how we have no plans on new years day and thinking we were having a mutual conversation because he is responding as if we have the same reality (i.e no plans) , then later that evening he is reading email and tells me he is going to a prayer meeting, it looks as if he has just got the email, but i have a read of it see it had already been agreed, so then i ask when was this agreed? Last sunday. Why didnt you mention it when we were chatting about the following days plans? Oh i just didnt think of it. Sounds to me like i had a 'virtual conversation' that may as well have been with myself because HIS reality wasnt present in it at all. .....only mine.... that may seem like an overreaction of something completely commendable , but i live with this constant threat that my daily life expectations are carefully observed by him then packaged up and fed to me as reality, while true reality is something that is hidden until exposed by me finding a loose thread in the virtual reality in front of me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 10:55:42 GMT -7
You still haven't said what he is doing now. Who is he accountable too? How is he getting access to porn? Who does he answer to in ministry? Do they know about his issue and are they holding him accountable? I hear of no plan or logic in his approach to overcoming this and to be honest I don't see any specific details of what he is NOW doing that is sinful. I hear a lot of emotion, anger, confusion and even chaos and we know where chaos comes from. That will solve nothing. Is there someone there that you trust and that you will both listen too that can mediate things?
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