Can we pray together for Josh Duggar and family?

Amy, I get a packed bag of cedar chips that is half as tall as me at Walmart for 6 bucks. Then I buy the generic kitty litter. It goes a long way. The cedar chips really soak up the smell.

I hope you can one day get a kitten. I like to get them at 6 or 8 weeks so they can bond with us young.

We have: Callie and Shadow who are sisters and 2 years old. Then we have Noah who is 20 pounds and we took him in as a feral cat. This March we got a brother and sister who are named Karma and Julian who are 7 months old.

Kittens are a dime a dozen on Craigslist. I can get them fixed for free at the local animal league. They are all indoor cats b/c they live three time as long as outdoor cats.

They are funny to watch. Noah and the Shi Tzu play together. It's so funny. They think they are the same breed of animal, I guess.

We got Rosalina, our Shi Tzu and Callie and Shadow in the same week so they are all used to each other.

Sad to say, our Yorkie, Moses is going to have to be put down soon. He'll be 11 in two months and he's going to the bathroom in the house and he can barely walk b/c of the arthritis in his hips.

Kevin,

I think something like that should be shared with a therapist first. As to you sharing it on this site, I think you should ask the site's owner, Mike Genung b/c I don't know. I'm just a moderator here. And FTR, I've never in the past 11 months removed a post. So, I've given everyone the freedom of speech they deserve.

I accept you Kevin just the way you are as God does. I don't judge you at all, it's NOT my place.

My thread on Josh Duggar was just my opinion and it was a very public story at that time. They put themselves out there in public and this is what happens when the parents aren't available to their children to talk to them about teen problems like sex and marriage. They were more consumed with their TV show than spending quality time with their kids. I mean, this show was on 9 years and I don't know how many episodes they did every year, but I think it would be impossible for Josh's parents to spend time with all 19 children. It may have started out as a good thing, but it ended up affecting their whole family.

I just didn't like the way his parents covered it up and the cop who failed to report it. He should be fired for that.

My heart truly goes out to all the Ted Bundy's and the Jeffrey Dalmer's

And the Joseph Hutchen's

And the Jimmy Swaggart's

And the Jim Bakker's

And the George Michael's

And the Michael Jackson's

And the Kobe Bryant's

And the Magic Johnson's

And the Bill Cosby's

And the Woody Allen's

And the Chuck Berry's

And the Mike Tyson's

And the Bill Clinton's

And the Oscar Wilde's

And the Tupac Shakur's

And the R. Kelly's

And the Paul Reuben's

And the Roman Polanski's

And the Ben Roethlisberger's

And the Jerry Lawler's

And the Errol Flynn's

And the Jeffrey Jones'

And the Marv Albert's

And the Gary Glitter's

And the Alex Da Silva's

And the Rob Lowe's



And what do all of these men have in common. They are all me.

Looking at them is like looking in the mirror. These men, and millions more, are the only ones that understand me in this world. And I understand them. And I know the tremendous amount of pain and ridicule that they go through on a daily basis. And I know how little resources they have to turn to. Believe me, most therapists do not know what to do with people like me. I've been through half of dozen of them, and none of them know a fraction of what I've had to go through.

So we say that certain people are not really welcome on BG. No, we don't really say it, but our words express the same message. We don't want to run the risk of spammers or negative publicity. So for those people who are really messed up need to go somewhere else.

Here's the problem. There is no where else for these people to turn to. Therapists can't help them. I know. Besides, most Child P users and r*pists simply don't have the resources to get a good therapist.

I would like to believe that BG would be a wonderful resource for anyone struggling with compulsive s*xual behavior (including criminal s*xual behavior) to turn to. There are literally millions of men and women struggling with this. And we will draw the attention of many that struggle in this manner.

But I see that not others feel the same way about this. And I think that's wrong. Perhaps everyone, for the sake of freedom of speech, has a right to their opinions. But if I were Josh Duggar (or his parents) viewing this thread, I would feel very judged.

If an addict feels that he/she is not welcome to any of the places he/she turns to. That person will ultimately resort to isolation. And isolation and secrecy (along with condemnation) are the devils biggest weapons that he uses to keep us PAs and SAs in our pain and acting out behavior.

I can understand that most people will stand with the victim(s). But as a recovering PA and SA, I feel God leading me with compassion to stand with these broken sinners and offer them hope. Someone has to. And that's why I'm at Blazing Grace.

As I mentioned before in a previous thread, I committed indecent liberties on a 12 year old girl when I was 16. And I'm very repentant of that, and I wish I could take that back. But I wonder if putting me in jail for something I did 28 years ago would really do anybody any good.

Amy, makes the salient point. He molested his four sisters and b/c his parents used their celebrity status and political connections(his grandfather and his father both served in the legislature for whatever state they live in.) to save him from the penal system, he didn't get any real help. Him going to juvenile detention would've given him time to reflect on what he did. I KNOW how this sect of Christians handle sexual abuse. I saw it with my own eyes. There are over 100 (and we know how under reported rape is) documented sexual abuse cases of minors in just the Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches alone.

And then the Southern Baptist Church is just as bad.

First, they surround the perp and shun or tell the victims to "forgive and forget." I've seen many called out right liars. His sisters may publicly support him b/c their parents forced them to and told them to "forgive and forget" how he fondled their breasts and private parts in their sleep, but I wonder if they can't wait to get away from that hell. I would. When I turned 18, I'd get the heck away from that abusive mess.





Kevin, no one here is talking about you going to jail. I think your repentance is real. And I ditto Steve's post about you as well.

I'm talking about how Josh's parents because they were rich, famous and politically connected (both his grandfather and his father served the the state legislature) were able to sweep this under the rug.

Josh didn't get any help.  That's what is so scary to me. 

Amy, I would do the same. IF my 15 yo did what Josh Duggar did, I would call the police and have him arrested. The same goes for drugs.

Josh also made untoward advances to the babysitter of his younger siblings so it wasn't just his four sister age 8 and under. I did the math and 2 of them were TODDLERS.

He did NOT get help and he's going to do it again.


Bill Clinton also RAPED Juanita Broderick and it was a violent rape. She did a full interview with NBC and they shelved it to protect their liberal president. I won't post the interview here out of deference to  those who have been molested b/c she was  in tears when she was telling  of how he raped her. I cry when I watch it.

After he bit her lip to get her to stop fighting and when he was finished, he said,"you might want to put some ice on that." He's a card carrying  sociopath and so is his wife. God help the USA if she become president b/c it will be the final nail in our coffin.

Bill Clinton was impeached by the House for lying under oath to a grand jury (and he was a lawyer LOL), but the mostly liberal Senate wouldn't convict and remove him from office. He belongs in jail for many things. One would be taking money from China for his campaign...

...big I digress.  Sorry ya'll, I'm a bit of a political junkie and have been since Reagan was president.

Oh my gosh, Amy, I'm SO sorry.

You did the right thing and I'm so proud of you.