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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 19:09:15 GMT -7
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Post by Will on Dec 31, 2016 0:07:41 GMT -7
Hi Amy,
just spotted this and wanted to comment as no-one else has in six months! I love this sermon from Dave P and agree with him as to God's teaching on this subject, though it is shocking to today's society. Have you heard of Kent Hovind? Big fan of his also but was disappointed when he got remarried recently.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 5:17:45 GMT -7
Kent Hovind. Is he the one that was put in jail for financial stuff...Something about him taking too much money out of his bank account? I think I have listened to him on creation issues.
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Post by Will on Dec 31, 2016 18:16:29 GMT -7
Hi Amy, yes he went to jail for nine years. Tbh he was persecuted for the Creation stuff, where he didn't pull any punches. Yes he is one of the best for Creation speaking. For me unfortunately some of the legitimacy of his ministry has been undermined because of his remarriage. We are all human of course. I think as Dave P says, divorce is one of the biggest problems among professing Christians today (along with pornography).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 8:05:49 GMT -7
Yeah I am pretty sure they jailed him for taking too much money out of his bank accounts. He said it was to pay bills and employees.
Yes divorce is a problem however it is a necessary evil in some cases...Like mine. And Christ did give one valid reason for divorce... sexual immorality. Porn is sexual immorality. So take that into account when speaking on divorce. The spouses on here go through hell with their addicts and divorce is sometimes needed...It should always be a last resort but I am thankful it is an option.
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Post by Will on Jan 2, 2017 21:36:08 GMT -7
Hi Amy,
yes but how is it a crime to take money out of your bank accounts? I think that was his argument, it sounds pretty solid to me. There was also a lot of very unusual railroading done to get the conviction through.
I think there are different interpretations of what the Lord meant by the exception He states. The one by Dave P above is the one that makes most sense to me, but I am not completely sure.
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Post by teetop on Apr 17, 2020 8:52:39 GMT -7
Hi Amy, yes but how is it a crime to take money out of your bank accounts? I think that was his argument, it sounds pretty solid to me. There was also a lot of very unusual railroading done to get the conviction through. I also am one that thinks most of the charges were a little funky Will. The IRS has way to much power to go after citizens, confiscate their property, and do just about anything to some one they have decided to target just to name a few things.I think there are different interpretations of what the Lord meant by the exception He states. The one by Dave P above is the one that makes most sense to me, but I am not completely sure. Well Will, I am sure, and yes it can create problems for those who have gotten a divorce and go into another marriage thinking its OK. Do we like it? Of course not, we normally walk in the flesh same as we do watching porn and masturbating. My current wife has choice n as have I to stay separated from now on as we feel that what David Pawson shared on the subject was spot on in line with God's word and it is our fallen nature that wants to find any excuse to desert our first spouse and go after another one.
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Post by Will on Apr 29, 2020 0:57:16 GMT -7
Hi Teetop,
wow, that is huge. I would love to hear more about this, if you would like to share. Actually my current housemate is going through a similar thing right now, and he asked me my opinion on it. Lovingly, I told him my thoughts were as above. He's a wonderful guy, his wife left him I think because he was disciplining the children and she did not believe in that kind of Fatherly discipline (although actually I have not yet asked him the full reason). He shared that for years he also thought remarriage was against the teachings of the Bible, but recently he has met someone, who is an incredible, Godly woman, a wonderful woman. They are currently courting. It's very hard to find fault with another Christian over this and I really can't judge as I have never been married and never been in that position. However it is disconcerting. I don't want him to do something that he would regret but at the same time loneliness is very hard to bear. How can we advise a brother in that position
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 4:59:15 GMT -7
Hi Teetop, wow, that is huge. I would love to hear more about this, if you would like to share. Actually my current housemate is going through a similar thing right now, and he asked me my opinion on it. Lovingly, I told him my thoughts were as above. He's a wonderful guy, his wife left him I think because he was disciplining the children and she did not believe in that kind of Fatherly discipline (although actually I have not yet asked him the full reason). He shared that for years he also thought remarriage was against the teachings of the Bible, but recently he has met someone, who is an incredible, Godly woman, a wonderful woman. They are currently courting. It's very hard to find fault with another Christian over this and I really can't judge as I have never been married and never been in that position. However it is disconcerting. I don't want him to do something that he would regret but at the same time loneliness is very hard to bear. How can we advise a brother in that position Will You need to know the full story before giving advice. Is the current wife a believer? Does she want a divorce? What happened to cause the riff Between them? I find it hard to believe that it was because he was disciplining the children unless he was abusive. Has he worked on reconciling? |
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Post by Will on Apr 29, 2020 5:27:37 GMT -7
Yes that's true. I will ask a little more when the time is right. Think she is/was a professing believer, but I understand she is with someone else now
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Post by Will on Jun 22, 2020 5:11:05 GMT -7
Am more and more convinced of this. Just reading through Luke and came to the passage where He talks about it: again He simply says anyone who puts away his wife and marries another commits adultery, and anyone who marries who he has put away, commits adultery. Same as in Mark. So that's two witnesses that say this, with no exception. Only in Matthew - one witness, does it give the exception for fornication.
The difficult thing is it doesn't say whether the put away wife remarrying is her committing adultery! Although to marry someone when marrying them would mean them committing adultery has got to be bad also. But that's often the situation I'm seeing: women leaving men because the Government supports and even promotes them doing so (it's an EPIDEMIC here in Aus). The question being, where does that leave the divorced husband, who is single but not out of choice. The passages don't SAY the one who is 'put away' would be committing adultery by remarrying, but it does say anyone marrying them would be.
Conclusion: it's all the Government's fault : )
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Post by Will on Jun 22, 2020 5:14:16 GMT -7
Hey Teetop, if it's not prying, please could we hear your story?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 19:04:24 GMT -7
I am up in the air about it. Of course you do everything possible to fix, heal and forgive in a marriage. But if it's beyond that, the Lord knows...He understands and He loves us. What loving father would tell his child to stick with an abusive spouse? A cheating spouse? A spouse that is addicted to alcohol or drugs? Only the Lord knows the situation and only He can guide the person on the best course of action.
For me it was divorce. I haven't remarried...because I don't trust myself to choose wisely and I need to do a lot more healing before I would make a good wife...plus I don't have any urge to visit that type of relationship again. Still too much brokenness in me I guess.
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Post by teetop on Jun 22, 2020 23:42:18 GMT -7
Am more and more convinced of this. Just reading through Luke and came to the passage where He talks about it: again He simply says anyone who puts away his wife and marries another commits adultery, and anyone who marries who he has put away, commits adultery. Same as in Mark. So that's two witnesses that say this, with no exception. Only in Matthew - one witness, does it give the exception for fornication. The difficult thing is it doesn't say whether the put away wife remarrying is her committing adultery! Although to marry someone when marrying them would mean them committing adultery has got to be bad also. But that's often the situation I'm seeing: women leaving men because the Government supports and even promotes them doing so (it's an EPIDEMIC here in Aus). The question being, where does that leave the divorced husband, who is single but not out of choice. The passages don't SAY the one who is 'put away' would be committing adultery by remarrying, but it does say anyone marrying them would be. Conclusion: it's all the Government's fault : ) I'm sorry Will, but your conclusion got me to laughing and I was having a hard time refocusing. That was a good one Will. Though all jokes aside, what you pointed out and those passages do need closer scrutiny. Virgil |
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Post by teetop on Jun 23, 2020 0:30:58 GMT -7
I am up in the air about it. Of course you do everything possible to fix, heal and forgive in a marriage. But if it's beyond that, the Lord knows...He understands and He loves us. What loving father would tell his child to stick with an abusive spouse? A cheating spouse? A spouse that is addicted to alcohol or drugs? Only the Lord knows the situation and only He can guide the person on the best course of action. For me it was divorce. I haven't remarried...because I don't trust myself to choose wisely and I need to do a lot more healing before I would make a good wife...plus I don't have any urge to visit that type of relationship again. Still too much brokenness in me I guess. Amy, are you responding to someones post? I am not your judge nor is anyone else here. And like all of us have skeletons in our closet's. Do not put yourself down for being divorced, even though some may look down at you. An abusive spouse is no pic-nick.
Those of us who have gotten divorced for the most part will always find some excuse to justify our actions good or bad.
Now if we study scripture, I think we will only find two listed as a reason for a divorce. Anything else I'm sorry to say we have no excuse. I think we may have made a poor choice for a spouse, but we made a covenant before God, and that does not leave us an out. The world says its OK, God does not.
Oh by the way, there is another way mentioned in scripture, though it does not give us permission to remarry but to be separated from our spouse.
And trust me you may feel your an emotional wreck, but that is far from being broken, I should know.
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