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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 5:02:02 GMT -7
I am up in the air about it. Of course you do everything possible to fix, heal and forgive in a marriage. But if it's beyond that, the Lord knows...He understands and He loves us. What loving father would tell his child to stick with an abusive spouse? A cheating spouse? A spouse that is addicted to alcohol or drugs? Only the Lord knows the situation and only He can guide the person on the best course of action. For me it was divorce. I haven't remarried...because I don't trust myself to choose wisely and I need to do a lot more healing before I would make a good wife...plus I don't have any urge to visit that type of relationship again. Still too much brokenness in me I guess. Amy, are you responding to someones post? I am not your judge nor is anyone else here. And like all of us have skeletons in our closet's. Do not put yourself down for being divorced, even though some may look down at you. An abusive spouse is no pic-nick.
Those of us who have gotten divorced for the most part will always find some excuse to justify our actions good or bad.
Now if we study scripture, I think we will only find two listed as a reason for a divorce. Anything else I'm sorry to say we have no excuse. I think we may have made a poor choice for a spouse, but we made a covenant before God, and that does not leave us an out. The world says its OK, God does not.
Oh by the way, there is another way mentioned in scripture, though it does not give us permission to remarry but to be separated from our spouse.
And trust me you may feel your an emotional wreck, but that is far from being broken, I should know.
Just adding my 2 cents to the conversation. Not really responding to anyone in particular. He made the marriage covenant before sin entered in. He also made provision for the sinfulness of man in the old testament where lust and marriage and divorce were concerned. Since He had grace and mercy during an inferior covenant, He would extend that same grace and mercy in our covenant. Yes He wants marriage to be as it should have been before sin entered and we are to strive for that as we are to strive to walk as Christ walked. However provision has been made when that is not possible just as it was made for every other sin. We are all broken because of sin. I recognize my brokenness. I realize that I have a long way to go to achieve what the Lord sees in me and I will strive to enjoy His working on my brokenness to turn me into His one of a kind work of art. I also realize that the Lord will never be done working on me as long as I am here on this earth. |
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Post by Will on Jun 29, 2020 4:46:57 GMT -7
Also as Teetop said really it is remarriage that is the bigger issue according to this analysis, separation is not advised by Paul but also not necessarily so bad, as I read it - permissible for Christians.
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Post by savagetribe on Aug 23, 2021 23:22:37 GMT -7
This is what Christ put on my heart about this subject. We no longer live under law. How many times did Christ go after the Pharisees about their contempt of others because of rules and said these things are rediculous. For example eating certain foods on the Sabbath if you are starved. David did. Or going after one lost sheep on the Sabbath. Or healing on the Sabbath. As Christians, we still gravitate to the law because we still can't comprehend the fulfilment of grace. Jesus looks at the heart and gives us compassion. There are some things that are too hard to get over and he knows that. He knows that staying in an abusive relationship would put us in peril. Also during that time, men could divorce and had rights to do so above women and women didn't have many rights. Jesus stated that divorce was permissible in sexual sin. Each person has the right to seek God and ask him if there is a chance in God restoring the marriage (each person's will is honored either good or bad). However to persecute others Divorcing that have had sexual sin in their marriage is like a viperous Pharisee. They cling on the law and rules without God's grace and mercy. We have a tendency to do so and our hearts become hardened. This leads to pride, ego, and destruction because if we live by the law, we die by the law. I'm not accusing anyone for being this way as I'm guilty of entrenching myself in ideologies that don't further the kingdom of God from time to time. I constantly examine my heart, seek God and allow him to work in my spirit and my character, refocus myself and look to his will. I'm sure there are many pastors and teachers out there that jump on the bandwagon of Divorce. To me, it has no bearing to further the kingdom of God and doesn't bring grace and mercy into the equation. Refocusing our energy to the greatest commandments because it deals with love. Our affinity for him and loving our neighbors. We should obey Christ in the art of forgiveness when our brother or sister is truly repentant. Divorce is tragic but sometimes is the consequence of sin in our lives and in some cases protects the innocent. I pray God gives us peace, grace and mercy in times of stress in our lives.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 4:36:21 GMT -7
This is what Christ put on my heart about this subject. We no longer live under law. How many times did Christ go after the Pharisees about their contempt of others because of rules and said these things are rediculous. For example eating certain foods on the Sabbath if you are starved. David did. Or going after one lost sheep on the Sabbath. Or healing on the Sabbath. As Christians, we still gravitate to the law because we still can't comprehend the fulfilment of grace. Jesus looks at the heart and gives us compassion. There are some things that are too hard to get over and he knows that. He knows that staying in an abusive relationship would put us in peril. Also during that time, men could divorce and had rights to do so above women and women didn't have many rights. Jesus stated that divorce was permissible in sexual sin. Each person has the right to seek God and ask him if there is a chance in God restoring the marriage (each person's will is honored either good or bad). However to persecute others Divorcing that have had sexual sin in their marriage is like a viperous Pharisee. They cling on the law and rules without God's grace and mercy. We have a tendency to do so and our hearts become hardened. This leads to pride, ego, and destruction because if we live by the law, we die by the law. I'm not accusing anyone for being this way as I'm guilty of entrenching myself in ideologies that don't further the kingdom of God from time to time. I constantly examine my heart, seek God and allow him to work in my spirit and my character, refocus myself and look to his will. I'm sure there are many pastors and teachers out there that jump on the bandwagon of Divorce. To me, it has no bearing to further the kingdom of God and doesn't bring grace and mercy into the equation. Refocusing our energy to the greatest commandments because it deals with love. Our affinity for him and loving our neighbors. We should obey Christ in the art of forgiveness when our brother or sister is truly repentant. Divorce is tragic but sometimes is the consequence of sin in our lives and in some cases protects the innocent. I pray God gives us peace, grace and mercy in times of stress in our lives. Well said! And wow looking back at my post....the Lord must have been laughing at me. It wasn't but a few months later that I met Don. The Lord really worked on my heart and changed me. |
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Post by Will on Aug 24, 2021 5:27:58 GMT -7
Hi Savagetribe,
well you have lived up to your name! I feel duty-bound to respond because I do feel you have accused both me and David Pawson of being 'viperous pharisees'. I think you're right about grace and that we are no longer justified by law. However no-one is persecuting anyone who is divorcing that have had sexual sin in their marriage (indeed, increasingly the ones getting persecuted are those who are reminding others of what the the Lord Jesus actually teaches about divorce. That is in for example Mark 10:4-9). Standing up for what the Bible says, and what Christians have believed for nearly 2000 years until our modern era of the last 100 years, is not persecuting nor being a pharisee. As my Pastor often says 'all things are permissible, but not all things are profitable'. We live in grace and I have many beloved Christian brothers and sisters who are divorced and remarried, but that doesn't mean I can agree to the statement that Jesus says divorce is justifiable in the case of sexual sin, because I honestly do not believe the Lord taught that. How do we fix this difference? We don't! We leave it up to Jesus. But we must be true to what He has shown us. Have you listened to what David Pawson actually says on the subject in the video? It is not motivated by the hard-heartedness you speak of, but out of loving people enough to say to them the truth that divorce in our world causes misery, and that can be avoided. Faithful are the wounds of a friend. Jesus is our friend. Please read again what He said about divorce. God bless you!
Will
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