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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 16:00:30 GMT -7
I had some closure tonight on the inevitable end of my marriage. I got a text from my husband, a lengthy one, which shows priority right there because since our separation he has avoided me and texts are 3 words or less and only when he fears hes lost some control and needs to reel me in again. Well the text was that he is never going back to allowing me or anything else control him ever again [ ie :boundaries, accountability to me, transparency,no more filters on phones ect], that this is bondage and hes not doing it again. It was control, ect.He will be in control of his own issues[white knuckling...or just freely acting out]]
Well he is an adult child of sick very s..abuse and punishment. and control and fear of not having it has been the reigning issue of his entire life. There is a terrified child inside all of that addiction and everything has become about control in his life. A very false sense ofcourse . he s an addict, .Its made him harder than stone, and even his tastes in his addiction were clearly about dominating and punishing and having to be the mean one in control for once.. He was aware of this being the leading factor in blocking his healing when he was living with me.Its been the issue in many different counseling sessions.Even cried and apologized to me about knowing he had to deal with the control thing.
But Since the separation and not having a wife and sense of family anymore or balance he has now slipped waaaay back into hardness and avoidance and fear of control again. boundaries, every single one of them have been dropped, transparancy is insulting to him and the phone is a wide open playground once again...When I read that text and saw the defiance and anger and willfulness of it all and how much he is regressing back so easily. I just thought "oh no. no way will I go back to that after all Ive been through and forgiven and done to heal my own self. All I could say to myself is "after all ive been through ,youre still at this point??" I don't know if that wall of skewed thinking about what control really even is will ever come down. And its kept him from so much:trust, intimacy, true power and freedom, the joy of compromise and softness and much more.
if any of you are open enough or can say if you had abuse in your past and a fear of control to such an extreme and it was a block for you, how did youcome to terms with that or have you yet? how did it affect your life and your addiction.I think its too late for us but im still very curious. Too may years living with a frightened little boy who sees every normal thing in life [and especially the norms of recovery]as control over him and is so very desperate to be controlling even it means losing all.And yet the irony is hes not in control at all until he is free to not care about it anymore. So if any of you dealt with this,please share.
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Post by KevinesKay on Jun 26, 2015 7:53:30 GMT -7
For me, I not only thought I was being controlled. I thought of it as lack of freedom and pain. That's what I felt when I left my ex back in 2001. All I could feel is entitlement, pain, s*x. I was so caught up in my pain that I could not see the pain that I was causing.
I've had my own share of abandonment issues, and an instance where a former accountability partner took advantage of my vulnerability to get a s*x fix from me.
I blamed my ex for the lack of s*x in our marriage.
And I used it as fuel to drive me to act out with P, MB, prostitutes.
And I ultimately left her feeling that I was not the only one who had a problem.
I really had a difficult time feeling any other feelings other than s*x at that time. I was pretty messed up even though most people would view me as a God-fearing, Bible-believing Christian. But I had not really died to my flesh at that time. I had not given God control of my life.
When I left, I felt "On Top of the World". I didn't get back on the horse of recovery until I got arrested, July 18, 2004...
I'm not sure if I'm making any sense, but I do believe that of the regulars here, I probably have the best chance of knowing what your husband is going through. I'm sorry about your marriage. I can't promise you that your husband is going to "get it". And I can actually understand what he's going through and why he wants to leave the marriage and relationship. I honestly believe that your husband is simply not intrincally motivated enough to die to himself and let God take control. It's very wrong, but that's how PAs think. So please. Take good care of yourself. Develop your relationship with God. Lean on and put your trust in Him, because people let you down.
And I believe that our God is powerful and faithful enough to carry you through all burdens. May the Holy Spirit's presence surround both you and your daughter. And may you find peace during this trying time in your life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 10:13:59 GMT -7
Kevin, I just read your post with tears in my eyes. So much of it is what my husband could write if he were heqlthy and looking in hindsight.Soooooo much of it. wow. I wish you were his accountability partner. I know you've offered that up to me before, but his state of mind is just not there . He is still in the mindset that to even share in setting like this is insulting to him. Hes regressed back to not even having his phone protected anymore. waaaay back. years ago back. Not going to be "controlled".
but you speak so clealy with 20/20 hindsight. Then again you've got a pretty amazing strong lady too.
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Post by KevinesKay on Jun 26, 2015 14:24:56 GMT -7
I would have loved being friends with your husband. He and I are very much alike.
And I would agree that WI is extremely strong. I've put her through so much. Yet I still feel her love and forgiveness. Thank you, Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 1:33:29 GMT -7
Aww hon, I'm SO sorry it has come to the end of your marriage. I wish I could come down there and give ya big hug and go out for some coffee and talk.
He doesn't deserve a loving kind person like you. I don't condone violence, but I wish I could kick his butt for the way he's treating you and your child.
Do you have a good lawyer lined up yet?
Take care and I'll be praying for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 6:52:10 GMT -7
How does closure feel? Is it good to have made the decision, or was it easier when you weren't sure?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 12:48:05 GMT -7
Thanks HS3, feel free....kick his butt.Ill act like I didnt see a thing. I promise. No lawyer. you know how it goes, one little decision and then awhile of digesting that decision. As far as closure, I think I am at more peace now. some actions and anger and personality things from him lately have made me just not want to be around that anymore. But the real closure would've been as you all know, Him coming in broken humility and sorrow and grieving over his choices and unltimately & the huge price he paid[me].That's what all of us wives need. But the pride is soooo very big in him. Hes so afraid to really look at it all.Terrified. So I am making my own closure. I have learned so much from the men on this forum. the ones that are regular and have been around awhile that really WALK their recovery. Ive seen what it really looks like and and how courage works. And what redemption and repentance really really is.Thats a pretty priceless thing to witness. Your honesty with your wives will be rewarded .I know this. And to my girls on here.Man I love you gals.I wish we all lived nearby, it would be coffee at my house on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 3:58:18 GMT -7
I am sorry that your husband wasn't able to seriously pursue recovery.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 10:15:11 GMT -7
We love ya too, hon! I consider ya a sister, really. Only women who've been what we've been through understand and need each other.
I know I feel in limbo and it kinda well...sux. I get impatient, scared...etc.
I know I've been told over and over that "it's not about me" but still, it boggles my mind how they reject good wives who love them.
I too, appreciate how the BG guys are completely transparent. It helps me to understand my H too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 21:49:08 GMT -7
BNB, Your husband deserves a chance. I have a very dangerous idea and it's a bit less subtle than having your husband's 'butt kicked.' They call it Prayer. My hope for you is that you make that decision on your own i.e. a decision that is entirely your choosing and not influenced by members on this forum, despite how well-meaning you think they are. It is your life and you will be held accountable to God one day for all such decisions. So it's important to make the right one and seek out a second opinion from qualified professionals outside of this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 8:09:32 GMT -7
I don't see anyone pushing BNB to divorce. I pray for both spouses of our group and for those who are single. The "butt kicking" was a joke. I was just trying to lighten the mood for BNB.
It breaks my heart to see what is happening in her life. I was crying when I read her post b/c I know what it's like to have my/our hearts broken into a million little pieces over and over again.
I respect whatever decison anyone (and that's including BNB) makes on here whether it's to stay, go for temporary seperation or divorce. I do hope and pray for reconciliation for all of the marriages here at BG.
And I don't see any other member pushing others(or BNB) to make a decision right now about their marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 8:57:24 GMT -7
Sweet steve,
Your heart is so where it should be and it speaks volumes to me. volumes that youre not even aware of. No the kicking butt was a joke from me as well. Actually hard to joke about anything on this topic . Here is some truth from my heart. Ive brought up divorce lately to my husband letting him know that it appears we might be at that point.. Also letting him know that since our separation The lack of wanting to see me, talk to me , and the taking away all boundaries for himself , buying another phone and going back to no filter on it after a year of having a ph with a block , and getting caught acting out over and over since he left and not one desire to build trust in me which I am desparate for .Plus the lack of sorrow, emotion or repentance has just made me hopeless. Hopeless is a word a Christian should never use.
Well anyway, the word divorce brings out nothing in him, no emotion, no desperation to change, pretty much an oh well type of attitude. I do not want a divorce.I did not want a separation, but had no choice. allowing him to stay was just enabling him. Right now he has regressed back to 20 years ago before his journey of recovery to now seeing through blinded eyes again and seeing boundaries and filters and accountability as "controlling". And him being a surviver of abuse , control is an enormous issue that needs serious trauma work to be dealt with. Im afraid hes burnt out on counseling as our most recent counselor was NOT what he professed to be. We were crushed.
It all is most definitely a spiritual issue, but everything in life is. particularly those things having to with sin, hardened hearts and healing. I just don't know what else to do.If I could wave a magic wand I would have him come back humbled by the experience , see the addiction and childhood for what they really are , see and FEEL what it has done to me, our family and how much love and and forgiveness and how much of the holy spirit it took for me to stay so very long. To see how that is so taken for granted,to be appreciated for that. my heart still aches at the misplaced anger toward me that is still there when it should be the opposite.
If that would happen , I seriously would probably wrap my arms around him in love and just sob. But it doesn't happen ever. I pray every day.Ive fasted,I even send prayers in texts sometimes. sweet ones. but they make him angry or defensive. The anger that comes with this addiction just blows me away sometimes.
But Steve, you have a different kind of character.And you are not the first addict to "get it", nor are the other men here. I honestly don't know why my husband isn't one of them. Alot of it upbringing, callousness being taught in the home, pride,mother issues, childhood defensiveneness. Mostly a personal belief that to admit your wrongs and go to a place of humility before your wife is the utmost weakness. That is a big one. easier to blame or project. But believe me if I could find one thing in him that looks like he is fightting for his marriage, I would not be thinking divorce.Even just hear the words, but I don't.
but no one here influenced it, except maybe seeing the men on here and what true recovery looks like again.And many other men in my groups. And seeing the place of honor so many men put their wives on, in gratitude for staying and in gratitude for jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:38:29 GMT -7
Thanks bentnotbroken for your reply. You have really been through the trials. God Bless you for your perseverance. Sorry for the muddle, I realise now that you have explored all options Steve
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:51:26 GMT -7
Hi HS3,I got your points and I accept them. My perception may have been a bit skewed but I honestly felt that a view was being posted of the inevitability of dissolution e.g. lawyers, end of marriage, the phrase that I knew at the time was a joke etc. I can tell I have offended you so I will say sorry. Deep down I was over-caring and reading too much into things. In a sense I had been a little over-protective of a defending a marriage. I guess this all makes me wrong. This is very unfortunate for me as I had started to take an extended break from the forum for personal reasons only to come back with a renewed interest. I think I will have to now go with my original decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 16:56:18 GMT -7
Steve I hope I didn't read that right.I do hope you are not leaving the forum. You have so much to offer here and are so faithful about supporting and so knowlegable about recovery. I seriously do hope you are not leaving!!
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