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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2005 8:07:37 GMT -7
I haven't seen any other women here that weren't a spouse of someone affected, but I am sure there has to be others! I am 25, married, and I have a beautiful 2 year old daughter. I am christian, and have only been with my husband sexually. I never knew I had such sexual needs until I did have sex with him, and found out he had a VERY low sex drive. He would be fine if we only had sex once a month. I want it every day, and if I don't I masterbate,, sometimes more then once a day. In the 4 years we have been married, it has gotten worse. I started to fantasize about other men, and women, something I would never have even thought of for a second as a teenager, I thought sex was wrong and gross then..... My husband suggested I try having "cyber sex", roleplaying sexual activites with others in a roleplaying videogame we played together for fun. I became obsessed after a while. I'd do it several times a day, masterbating while I typed sexual things to someone else. It has gotten so much worse, and my husband and I are now separated. I feel like I need to be with someone that gives me the attention I need, sexually, and in other ways. I am so lost, and confused, and feel like I just want everything to end. I pray constantly, but I feel so alone. I am in councelling, but I am to afraid to tell anyone about my problem. A couple "worldy" friends I have know, and think what I do is cool, and encourage it, but they also think I should get divorced, which I know is wrong..... I just needed to get that out..... I have never seen a forum like this before...where do I start? How do I get help, without having to sit down with someone in person to talk it out, because I can't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2005 14:55:52 GMT -7
Interesting you don't hear about women having this kind of problem often. Needless to say your husband was off base when he suggested you role play at sex games. Seems to me thats a lot like playing Russian Roulette, eventually you will land on the cylinder with the bullet.
Prayer is good but God will not answer prayer which is out side what he has already lane down. Unfortunately.
One thing for sure the So called "worldly frends" probably don't have any advice that is worth listening to. That is unless you are into Cool Nonfunctional Advice.
I also find a bit strange that your husband has a Very Low sex drive, as you say, considering men as a general rule do not have very low sex drives, in comparison to women.
Most of the time in life we are alone, trust me I know the feeling, very well. Most of the time talking something out with someone is a luxury that many of us cant afford, and in addition to this if you depend on the faith of others then how is it that you will ever get to test the strength of your own Faith.
It seems to me that often times we concentrate very intently on the sin and don't realize that, it may be that we sin for reason, possibly to teach us a lesson.
I don't really think sex is really wrong or gross but the abuse of it can cause wrong and Gross results in our life.
From my perspective you only have two choices, you can either lay down and let the adversary take your life, or you can fight for it.
I think first I would start with reading scripture.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2005 1:31:13 GMT -7
I have been reading my Bible much more recently, and trying to have more fellowship withmy chrsitian friends, and it has helped a lot. As for my husband..... I know it is not normal for him to have such a low sexdrive....and it is soooooo hard on me. I guess growing up, my mother was very open sexually, and was a very sexual woman, always had men around her, as friends, and boyfriends. Shhe even introduced me to porn, which I was obsessed with, magazines, movies, anything I could find on the net, I would spend HOURS and HOURS Downloading it. Part of me associates sex, and sexiness, with love. When my husband will not look twice at me...it hurts. I would walk into the livingroom... and he would say he is not in the mood, or wanted to finish his videogame first. So, I started seeking that attention elsewhere, which he didn't mind, cause it meant, I was leaving him alone. He had no idea how far it had gone though...... the men I'd met online ingame, would want more, and I gave it to them. Started off just chatting with the webcam on, about life, kids, sex........ and then it would go from there... when I did, I LOVED the reaction I would get from him. It was almost a kind of control I could not get on my husband.... I was sexy, attractive, and could make a man do almost anything. I found myself depressed when that man was not online, needing him and his attention. My husband would barely sleep in the same bed as me anymore...he would stay up late after work playing videogames, and I would get up at 3am for work. He would be going to bed as I got up. We did not cuddle, we did not kiss, we did not have sex unless I begged for it. Our daughter would even frek out if we sat close to each other on the couch watching a movie together. I told him we needed some time a part......... things just got worse for me. I know now that I need to change a lot about how I have become, I disgues myself. I had even concidered starting an internet porn site so that I could quit my job to spend more time with my 2 year old, and do something that I loved doing, that got me "off", and make money at it...... I just do not know if I can salvage my marriage at this point...... he moved far to beb with his parents, but comes to visit, and takes our daughter for visits, he is such a good daddy, just not a husband. He does not see that he has any flaws, his mom tells him it's all me.... I am just so lost as to what to do. My church tells me divorce is not an option, that God has made this union, and we have to make it work........
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Post by mike on Sept 14, 2005 1:59:19 GMT -7
Hi Youngmom -
Welcome to the boards.
Well, the first step is in coming out of isolation, which you're doing here. However, you need other women with a similar struggle who you can be accountable to. I've received emails from other women who struggle with lust, and if you like I can contact them and see if they would be interested in corresponding with you by email, for starters. Lust cannot be overcome in isolation, and it's critical you are able to find someone else you can open up to and pray with on an ongoing basis. Perhaps in time you might exchange phone numbers with these other women. Let me know if you're interested in this.
Every person I've know who struggles with sex addiction (and indeed their spouses) has serious father or mother wound issues. From your posts you talk about loving the attention, and I would guess that you might have had little attention/love growing up - and that you found that sex is a way to get "love" (which is not love at all.)
You might consider reading the father wounds article on the website if you haven't done so already.
And, ultimately, for final freedom we have to come to the place of making God our source of love, which, to do so, entails removing the things that are keeping us from accepting His grace. This is talked about in The Answer.
There are two sentences in your posts that I edited which could draw a picture in the mind of the readers that could cause some to struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2005 12:07:02 GMT -7
youngmom
Well I think all women have a need to be seen as pretty and attractive, there is nothing abnormal about that.
I think most people both male and female want to be loved and have a spiritual relationship, with there significant other.
It seems to me what you really want is for your husband to pay attention to you as a woman.
I think the important thing to remember is that a marriage is a three way relationship, With God at the Top and A man and woman on either side.
youngmom
Well there is the problem, isn't it.
Sex isn't a control issue, and never was intended to be about manipulation. Most men DO NOT like to be controlled by women. And most men realize that most women are for the most part better at utilizing emotional control. I think you have just answered your question as to why your husband is pushing you away.
The only kind of man who is going to want you to control him is a pervert 1000 miles away on the Internet who knows its a fantasy these people are using you.
It might be that you need to use a little intuition, in this matter.
youngmom
I cant say that you will succeed at salvaging your marriage, but what I will say this you will not fail if you try. You will never fail if you make an attempt.
youngmom
I don't know your husband, so I cant judge his character, but here is the deal. We live in a society which is hostel to young men, and most of them have been exposed to some amount of Feminism through the years. As such many men judge women by those stereo types, and this is defiantly unfair to many women.
You said you wanted some control in your husbands life, well here is how to get it. Become an intercessor for him, when you pray point out to God the things that you would like God to change about his character. At the same time gain a grasp of the things you need to change about in your own character, Let God guide your Hart in these things.
youngmom
Do you really believe this, or is it a Rationalization/Excuse.
I believe Mike is right when he talks about the father issue, especially with women who grow without fathers or without fathers that are loving and attentive.
This is one of the things that we as a society and especially men need to work on.
Trust me the men you are playing these sex games with are not associating it with Love.
Good Luck with your life, It seems to me that you have realized a Problem in your life and you are trying to fix it. God honors a sincere Hart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2005 13:50:56 GMT -7
I appoligize if I offended at all, thanks for editing it, sometimes when you start typing, it all just comes out, and you don't think...... If there are other women with these problems, I would LOVE to get in contact, learn how they are overcoming, or trying to anyways....
I see my husband next week, I am so nervous, it has been a month since I have seen him. I am trying to be honest with myself about him, and it is so hard.....
It's been 2 days with a clean (well, cleaner then it's been in a long time) mind, no porn, masterbation, or sexual conversations! very proud of myself, none of my friends would understand how hard that is for me. Thanks you guys.
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Post by mike on Sept 16, 2005 1:14:10 GMT -7
>If there are other women with these problems, I would LOVE to get in contact, learn how they are overcoming, or trying to anyways....
I private messaged you her email address.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2005 21:01:30 GMT -7
Hello youngmom,
I have a bit of an odd question for you but trust me it has a point. What kind of video games does your husband play? One of the growing problems is a video game addiction and its a trap that many people fall into causing them to ignore those they love even thoug they may not mean to.
Video games can act as a method of escape or release of pent up stress. Also with the advent of mass multiplayer online role playing games (MMORPG or MMO's for short) has added another dimension by having an entire world inhabited by other real people that you interact with. This effectively allows some people the ability to escape the problems in their life by playing as a character in another cyber world where they can be whatever their imagination wants to be. But it is only a fantastical dream that eventually turns into reality's nightmare. This is an addiction that has led some people to suicide because their lives have crumbled around them.
What I'm trying to get at is that, by the sound of things, your husband has some things he needs to deal with as well you yourself need to be working thru. I think it would do you both a world of good to seek counseling, not just on your marriage, but for yourselves as well (as I myself have found) because addictions tend to be like warts. If you dont the roots of the problem out, you'll never be able to get rid of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2005 0:43:45 GMT -7
Yes, he does have a videogame addiction to mmo's, and I asked him to get rid of the internet for a few months so we could work on our marriage ( and effectively taking away my addiction in the process) but he said I was being over-reactive, and that was too drastic. That was my last straw, and when I said I wanted some time appart for a few weeks, and he moved 8 hours away instead..... I, and his mom, have suggested he seek councelling too (the ONLY thing his mom and I agree on) but he just refuses...he comes to visit in 2 days...these are issues I am going to be trying to talk through with him.... I have been doing really well with my struggles, and am very proud of myself, making these changes on my own seem impossible at times, but I just take it day by day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2005 22:46:45 GMT -7
Dear Young mom
I am going to start this out as a letter to you, as if it were wrote on paper, okay.
I pray that God will do two things in your life, well three. 1. That you can defeat satan as far as your addiction. 2. That you and your husband come to terms in your marriage, and not for your daughter's sake. and at last 3. GET RID OF THE INTERNET AND COMPUTER! If you want to save your marriage, than have CHRISTIAN friends take your computer for how ever long it takes!
We get so used to email, and having instant message, we don't realize that the internet is satan number one way or getting to us in a nano second!
Blessing to all
Dave and Lisa Zumwalt
Yes Lisa (my wife) said something like this, and I agree with her.
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