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Post by Will on Sept 24, 2021 0:14:15 GMT -7
I work in a Christian recovery ministry that deals with people recovering from addiction. Most people have some issue with drugs. But within this, there's a couple of loose categories I've noticed: 1) those whose 'basic' addiction is alcohol and 2) those whose 'basic' addiction is porn. It made me wonder why people don't generally struggle with both. This is just a theory, but I've also been workshopping the idea that porn addiction actually comes from cowardice. Hear me out! In my case, I can often see the pattern that when there's some kind of confrontation, particularly with women (I grew up in an environment with dominant women), whose approval I crave, I often back down or avoid confrontation. This caving to what is essentially bullying leads me to internalise that frustration and it comes out in porn use - I don't know maybe out of an attempt to get back some control? Whereas, with the alcahol people, they tend to be 'warrior' types. Their difficulty is not so much in being assertive with women and 'being themselves' with them, but rather the opposite, in failing to be able to communicate without bringing out the domination card. In other words their alcohol addiction is really about anger. They can't handle confrontation without getting angry and ending up using their fists. So they have previously self-medicated it with alcohol in order to channel their energy into a 'good time' vibe that usually involves laughs and putting on a 'fun, hijinks' front. Many people I've met with alcohol as their primary problem have more or less confessed this. That being the 'life of the party' making wisecracks, etc is the only thing they found to keep them from getting angry.
So I guess its frustration at the bottom of both these issues. My two cents is that honest, assertive but calm, well-thought out, brave communication with the person in question can alleviate this frustration and prevent people turning to addictions to numb the frustration.
What do you guys think? If we (ex) porn addicts were more courageous in communicating with women, would we be less inclined to get our assertiveness over them vicariously through images?
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Post by KevinesKay on Sept 24, 2021 5:46:49 GMT -7
For me, my fear of confrontation came from a desperate need to get validation from others, especially women. If I disagreed with women, I was afraid to confront because I would have a less chance of them liking me.
Cowardice doesn't describe that as well as toxic shame; this idea that I'm a horrible person, a mistake, a piece of garbage. And describing myself as cowardly would only reinforce the shame that continues to undermine and sabotage my recovery.
But I'm only speaking of my experience. I cannot speak for anyone else. So I cannot say your wrong. What benefits one person won't work for another. God works in mysterious ways like that. We're not all in the same path.
I know a lot of recovering alcoholics as well as recovering sex and porn addicts. It's hard for me to distinguish any hardline differences. But the similarities are quite numerous and apparent.
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Post by Will on Sept 24, 2021 6:17:55 GMT -7
"For me, my fear of confrontation came from a desperate need to get validation from others, especially women. If I disagreed with women, I was afraid to confront because I would have a less chance of them liking me."
Yes!
I think this was pretty much what I was aiming at. That wish for validation from women often sees me unwilling to be truly honest with them because don't want to seem harsh, and for me I think a certain kind of cowardice that fears contempt and disdain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 7:21:59 GMT -7
Umm....my experience is the opposite with alcoholics. Dad drank to relieve his mental illness. He was never mean or dominant although he did sexually abuse me while drunk. My brother and grandfather were mean drunks. They got violent when they drank. My uncles were warrior type men. They were in the wars. One was a fighter pilot the other 2 foot soldiers. They were jovial and good natured even when not drunk and their wives weren't dominant...neither was their mother (grandpa beat her).
My porn addiction came from my sexual abuse and wanting to be loved.
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Post by Will on Sept 29, 2021 23:49:34 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing Amy. Well, looks like my theory has been knocked into a cocked hat!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 23:01:12 GMT -7
I work in a Christian recovery ministry that deals with people recovering from addiction. Most people have some issue with drugs. But within this, there's a couple of loose categories I've noticed: 1) those whose 'basic' addiction is alcohol and 2) those whose 'basic' addiction is porn. It made me wonder why people don't generally struggle with both. This is just a theory, but I've also been workshopping the idea that porn addiction actually comes from cowardice. Hear me out! In my case, I can often see the pattern that when there's some kind of confrontation, particularly with women (I grew up in an environment with dominant women), whose approval I crave, I often back down or avoid confrontation. This caving to what is essentially bullying leads me to internalise that frustration and it comes out in porn use - I don't know maybe out of an attempt to get back some control? Whereas, with the alcahol people, they tend to be 'warrior' types. Their difficulty is not so much in being assertive with women and 'being themselves' with them, but rather the opposite, in failing to be able to communicate without bringing out the domination card. In other words their alcohol addiction is really about anger. They can't handle confrontation without getting angry and ending up using their fists. So they have previously self-medicated it with alcohol in order to channel their energy into a 'good time' vibe that usually involves laughs and putting on a 'fun, hijinks' front. Many people I've met with alcohol as their primary problem have more or less confessed this. That being the 'life of the party' making wisecracks, etc is the only thing they found to keep them from getting angry.
So I guess its frustration at the bottom of both these issues. My two cents is that honest, assertive but calm, well-thought out, brave communication with the person in question can alleviate this frustration and prevent people turning to addictions to numb the frustration.
What do you guys think? If we (ex) porn addicts were more courageous in communicating with women, would we be less inclined to get our assertiveness over them vicariously through images? Hi Will, it's great that you are helping others addicts. It's like the say "it takes one to know one" so you and them share a common understanding. You know what it means to be hooked into some behavior that is harmful, but it temporary gives a body pleasure. I think I understand what your saying about being fearful toward a women, then in some private time, trying to get love from the women in the act of porn and masturbation. I totally understand that one. For me, I was shy, when I was in 3rd grade and liked my first girl, I never told her until a long time later. I was shy because I was exposed to porn at a younger age and already thought of her in that way. 3rd grade is age 8 or 9 right? So it was around age 5 and I was already masterbating and hooked on all pretty girls, even not to pretty ones. Heck even ugly ones. Honestly. When I did start drinking in high school, I was also addicted to porn too. I was more addicted to porn than alcohol because at the high school age, getting alcohol was difficult but I still got it every time I wanted, which was sad because I used to beg adults to buy it for me and most would. Anyway, I was also into doing drugs in high school, so I was a mess. In the military, I started to smoke and drink, and yes porn was there too. I was addicted to both. Right now, I look back and looking at all I have learned from the Bible, hearing others, and still learning. I understand my addiction like this. 1. I turned sex into a God (Romans 1 is my basis for thinking this) 2. I was seeking love (honestly, when I say this, I mean, that I always wanted not one, but all and many women to sexually want me, so this (for me) is more like, I wanted to be served and worshipped like a sex god. Like the men in the porn are apparently worshipped and the women are worshipped. I go back to Romans 1 again. Turning sex into an idol. 3. I was escaping reality - When I go to porn, it's not only because I'm angry at my wife for not having sex with me, it's not only i am horny and need orgasm, and it's not only boredom that led to watching hours of movies, then to inevitable acting out with porn and mastubation, but I am deep down, trying to get away from reality. The reality of I have to work, take care of my family, do chores, work on my issues) I am trying to search deep down why I do what I do. I know it's a like a Romans 7 thing where "I don't know why I do what I do" but I am still trying to learn and challenge myself. I don't mean to say "Hey, I've finally got it, not I really really know and every else is wrong.." No, I'm saying this only from my perspective and I don't know someone else's perspective. The main reason I am a recoverying sex addict, is because I have a weakness to lust, that I do not allow God to help me with. When I was a child, I didn't know my sexual exploration was all that bad, but my conscience told me that something was wrong because I was doing it in secret and it was not like opening fighting with siblings, but always secret, behind closed doors, with others, and we make secret agreements. This is how I knew it was wrong. I believe that the Holy Spirit was teaching me even at a young age of my actions were bad. Fast forward to now....everytime I see or hear a women, I am instantly turned on and attracted and getting aroused, and this is what I intend to stop, this flesh. When I acknowledge that, and God helps me and gives me willingness and I want to "not" lust, then I try to do things to stop it. In today's case, I'm turning away from watching women's golf because I don't want to see them in tiny golf skirts. Jesus prayed "Forgive them for they know not what they do" and I really understand to mean that "they" (pretty women) do not know what they are doing. If they really knew, they might care enough and not do whatever it is the is making others tempted. I'm not blaming the women on her clothes only, because I know it's also her face, so she can't help it, it has to be "me" that has to learn self-control and reprogram my brain. I know I have to but the willingness I don't always have. Sometimes, I want to look and I have to stop it quick and keep short accounts to God, or else, the look because longer, then a seed is planted, and the next step is a bigger comprimise, until, I'm backslidding into adultery (lust/porn/masturbation/all hings of sexual immorality).
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Post by Will on Oct 19, 2021 3:25:06 GMT -7
Hey Dominic, thanks for sharing bro! Yes I sympathise with a lot of this, especially point 3. Right now things are going great, but I know that can change. My blessings really come when I am able to live life without really encountering arousing situations. Keeping away from audiovisual stuff that would really trigger me and looking away whenever a woman dressed immodestly walks by. I find the more I don't feed the beast (and in fact starve it) the weaker it gets. God bless you!
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