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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 22:09:15 GMT -7
I discovered my husband's porn addiction 7 months ago. It was a shock. We've been married 9 years and have 3 small children. I always thought my husband was one of the good guys. I know there are very few of them out there, but I really thought I was lucky enough to have snagged one. Well, I was an idiot. He admitted he had been using porn at least once every day for almost our entire marriage. I had always trusted him so much. I never even looked at his credit card statements. The charges were right there. Thousands of dollars. When I discovered his porn he had left his online account open, so I was able to see all of the videos he'd purchased. I didn't really know what "mainstream porn" was....I guess I thought it was like the old "soft core" cinemax skin flicks. So that was a huge shock as well. The porn he was watching was particularly disgusting, "shock value" stuff, extremely degrading to women. Not only is my husband unfaithful but he's also a disturbed pervert. Fantastic. We have a baby daughter, by the way. Dad of the Year. After the porn discovery we went through a few months that were explosive. I was filled with rage and I could barely stand to be near him for a while. We did Christian counseling. He has vowed never to touch the porn again. I believe that he hasn't used porn. I mostly believe him. But then again, who knows? He's a great liar. I know he's trying to be a better husband. He tries to make time for going out to dinner, etc. He's stopped drinking for the most part (he was also abusing alcohol). He brings home flowers randomly. He takes the kids out by himself to give me alone time. He's trying. Doing all of the right things.
But really none of it matters. Or it just doesn't matter enough to undo what's been done. When I look at my husband, I see a liar, cheater, and pervert. I remember when I truly loved my husband, but I cannot for the life of me conjour up that feeling anymore. I don't feel anything for him anymore beyond what I would feel for a friend. He's a great father and I try to get along with him. We're still intimate pretty frequently, but it's blah. It's funny because before I found out about the porn, our sex life was fantastic. Now I just don't care to try. I give him sex out of a sense of wifely duty. I'd be happier if he never touched me again.
I don't want to end our marriage. Our children need a father and he fulfills that role well. I plan to wait it out, and hopefully the love will come back eventually. I'm not sure why I'm posting this here. I guess just to get it out there.
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Post by teetop on Jan 11, 2017 6:58:24 GMT -7
Thank you Nannyplum, so many of us are hurt by our spouse's actions, that we loose site of our commitments. Our emotions can run deep and rampant and we tend to make poor choices when our feelings are raw. And I see you've listed your husband's faults/sin's and left your's hidden. Makes one wonder what went on at the beginning of our fall into death by the actions of our forefather's, Adam and Eve? (If we read the account, we see the first instance of the BLAME GAME. Gen. 3:11-19) We also find that our marriage is not a contract, but a Covenant.
I also see you both went to Christian Counselling, and I'm curious as to what triggered your feelings of doubt about his past actions?
Love is a choice, even though we treat it as a feeling that we can change at the drop of a hat pin. God does not treat it as such and neither should we. My heart goes out to you and the battle your husband must be going through with his flesh. Because I'm going through the same battle with my flesh. And it is a struggle far harder than my addiction to alcohol. And I also suspect the few men here who are honest will tell you the same thing. Because of our covenant with our spouse in our vows we tend to say: "for better or worse", which most of us ignore even though that commitment is before God. I am reminded of something that Jesus and the disciples had to say in Matt. 19:3-12.
I would ask if your husband would be willing to join our family here and put porn blockers on your computers and phones etc? I will put you and your husband on my prayer list. Virgil
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 8:35:51 GMT -7
Hi nanny. Welcome to BG. I am sorry that you are experiencing these sin addictions in your marriage. You have a double whammy with the alcohol and porn. However that is somewhat normal. People with addictive sins use other substances to cover up the shame and humiliation they feel which leads to more addictions. It's a vicious cycle. The keys to overcoming these addictions are God and good coping skills.
Are you still in counseling? Your anger and blahness (I made a new word lol) is part of your healing journey. To continue that journey you should be in individual counseling as should your husband. You also need to set up some boundaries...Porn blocking software, accountability partners, counseling..Would be a good start.
Teetop made a comment in his post that I want to address. He said:
And I see you've listed your husband's faults/sin's and left your's hidden. Makes one wonder what went on at the beginning of our fall into death by the actions of our forefather's, Adam and Eve?
I would like to clarify this. I am hoping that what Tee meant was that we all are sinners and to take that into account when dealing with your husband's sins. His sins are in no way your fault. You did not cause your husband to choose sin. Your husband is an adult and made his own wrong choices.
I am glad you are wanting to continue your marriage. It's going to mean that you both as a couple have to work and fight to save it.
Hugs, love, and prayers coming your way hon.
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Post by teetop on Jan 11, 2017 10:10:44 GMT -7
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Post by teetop on Jan 11, 2017 10:36:14 GMT -7
Amie's comment; "Teetop made a comment in his post that I want to address. He said:
And I see you've listed your husband's faults/sin's and left your's hidden. Makes one wonder what went on at the beginning of our fall into death by the actions of our forefather's, Adam and Eve?"
I would like to clarify this. I am hoping that what Tee meant was that we all are sinners and to take that into account when dealing with your husband's sins. His sins are in no way your fault.(I could not agree more with Amy, it is not your fault for his choices. Virgil) You did not cause your husband to choose sin. Your husband is an adult and made his own wrong choices.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 10:49:53 GMT -7
Yes, I did notice that comment from Virgil. I'm very familiar with the tendency that people have to place blame for the husband's sex addiction onto the wife. When I first confronted him he had a list of my shortcomings and failures that turned him to porn. This list included that I "trusted him too much" and "made it too easy for him". Ok! Lesson learned. When my own mother found out about my husband's issue (and, no, I didn't out him, it's a separate tangent to the story) the first thing she asked was whether I'd been "neglecting" him. Ha!
Don't worry, I know it's not my fault. He has been addicted to porn since he was a teenager, before I knew him, although it became much worse with the advent of the smart phone and easily accessible online porn. He has been a habitual masturbator for even longer, he thinks it began when he was about 10. So, yeah, this is a problem that is his to own.
And, no, I didn't list all of his sins. There is more to the story. There are tangents that are related but which I've omitted for the sake of brevity.
I understand he's only a human, as am I. I am far from the perfect wife. I, however, have not done anything to rip his heart out. I have been a solid, faithful, loyal wife to him...and it was all lies from the very beginning. His betrayal has completely leveled our marriage and it will never be the same. I may be able to love him again with time, but I doubt I will ever feel the same way about him that I did before.
I am not open to counseling right now. We did individual and couple counseling and both just seemed to make things worse, honestly. Right now I'm "blah", but I still have rage boiling just under the surface. The more I talk about it, the more it threatens to erupt. My strategy has been to suppress it as much as possible and just give it time to fizz out. I know this is not what anyone recommends. I know you're supposed to 'talk through it'. BUT time has helped more than any of the counseling did. For instance, I no longer have the urge to run him over with my car. So, progress. (I'm kidding)
He doesn't think he needs any kind of counseling or help. He says the problem was finished the day I found out, and that it that, end of story. I point out that really nothing has changed except that I'm smarter now. He did read Mike's book The Road to Grace, and I know that helped him immensely in getting some perspective on his problem, but I think he views himself as 'different from those other sex addicts'. He swears he hasn't even wanted to turn to porn since he quit. He says he hasn't even been tempted. I have to question that. I think it's pretty unlikely that he won't at some point stumble again with the porn. I don't want to be the porn police. I'm not going to snoop in his phone or look at his credit card statements. So if/when he stumbles I probably won't know for another 9 years....
And this is where I'm at in life. Trying to salvage the scraps of a sham marriage, wondering if it's even possible. I'm really tired and depressed and it's hard to get motivated to put a ton a work into fixing a problem that I didn't create. I'm sick of cleaning up his messes!
The icing on the cake is that we had planned on having a fourth child, and we started trying to get pregnant just before I discovered the porn. Like I said, it's been 7 months. We conceived our other three children immediately but we are having trouble conceiving now. It's not because of a lack of sex. I think the stress of everything has done something to my body. In the first few months I lost a ton of weight to the point where I stopped having a menstrual cycle. I have since gotten back to a healthy weight but I went to the OB recently and she recommends that we see a fertility specialist if we really want another baby. I'm not sure that we want to go that route, so now I'm afraid that another baby will never happen. That his porn addiction may have robbed us of the child we wanted is just another jab into my heart.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 11:20:20 GMT -7
There are other ways to deal with rage then just talking it out. My favorite ways are rage cleaning, and eating the heads off of gummy bears. You can also journal and exercise. I agree that counseling makes it worse especially in the beginning. It's extremely difficult to deal with the raw emotions counseling brings up. What I would suggest the next time you feel like you can try Counseling again is to go in with a plan on what you want to accomplish. Your counselor should be open to helping you the way you want. I have told my counselors in the past that I am ready to deal with this...But not this...And I need constructive ways to handle...
You are dealing with so much right now hon. Don't worry about having another child just yet. When things settle down and you aren't under so much stress, your body will be ready for another baby. Something to look into, if you haven't already, is natural family planning. It helps you get to know when your body is at it's most fertile time of the month.
Hang in there sweetie. Feel free to vent on here. I do all the time and not just about porn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 12:23:45 GMT -7
Thank you Amymine.
I am very familiar with the fertility awareness method. That's how we conceived so quickly with the first three...
I've been charting religiously for the last 8 months and still no success.
Unfortunately because of my age it's really now or never for another child. I'll be 37 in a few months. If I was younger I would just relax and wait a couple of years.
I have been determined not to let this interfere with our family planning but I think it has nonetheless. It makes me very sad. I never thought things would end up this way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 14:22:50 GMT -7
You are still young. I got pregnant at 44. So you still have time hon. Give your body and your relationship some time. You do not want to be pregnant and dealing with your husband's addictions. Your hormones can really throw a wrench into things.
For me I got pregnant while dealing with my ex's porn addiction. Not a fun time. My hormones made me crazy and then the stress and all... I miscarried. I was all over the board with my emotions. Then I discovered that the ex was looking at underage stuff. I confronted him and he lost control. I came away with bruises. So I got divorced.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 14:49:26 GMT -7
I did not conceive for the 3 years of so-called- recovery on the part of my husband. (so-called because he only pretended recovery) Well, i did, but had two early miscarriages. I charted, we did it at all the right times, and my biological clock ticked away.
I have no doubt the wages of sin are death and there was no way a child was going to be brought into the web of lies that my husband kept me in, while he kept up his demonically driven activity in secret.
he was the best liar. Brought me flowers, paid more attention to the family.....gave his testimony about how God had delivered him from porn addiction..
except the last part of that was not actually true....
There is a book "Dont Call It Love which details stages in an porn users journey. The development stage begins usually when the wife finds out. Its all outed, and he realises he has a problem and starts recovery efforts. Or else he 'doesnt need to do recovery' because he is 'not addicted'. The wife thinks it's all finally going to be over! The husband does make a lot of changes, He becomes a much nicer person. Only, unfortunately, the behaviour continues, only in more secret, because he is too ashamed to admit he cant stop.
We call it false recovery. An addict will stay in development stage for an average of 2 years until he reaches CRISIS/DECISION usually because he has been arrested/ wife hands him divorce papers/ loses his job eg severe consequence. Then and only then, does real recovery start.
I would urge you not to waste time and to get a polygraph to verify his recovery. It sounds extreme but i would not wish on my worst enemy the years of false recoveries i have had, the amount of time I have had to start again with trust shattered. Why wait 9 years to find out its all been fake? Or are you settling for accepting this is likely going to be part of your future with him? If so, no wonder you cant generate any loving feelings.....
When I finally separated from my husband it kicked him into the crisis point and porn lost its appeal in an instant. We did not resume intimacy for 6 months and i fell pregnant after just one incident. I was 40. My baby is now 12 weeks. I believe that the porn activity going was absolutely directly linked to conceiving. It may be whacky to say that but nothing will convince me otherwise.
I hope I am not being out of turn to doubt your husbands recovery. You finding out could have been enough to bring him to crisis/decision, for all i know.
PS totally out of turn for anyone to indicate you should consider your own sins. This particualar crisis has arisen by very specific covenant-breaking sins of your husband, which are the subject of this forum. Your sins, whatever they might be, are completely irrelevant to the support/advice/guidance you need in dealing with a husbands porn use.
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Post by KevinesKay on Jan 11, 2017 18:01:13 GMT -7
There is a book "Dont Call It Love which details stages in an porn users journey. The development stage begins usually when the wife finds out. Its all outed, and he realises he has a problem and starts recovery efforts. Or else he 'doesnt need to do recovery' because he is 'not addicted'. The wife thinks it's all finally going to be over! The husband does make a lot of changes, He becomes a much nicer person. Only, unfortunately, the behaviour continues, only in more secret, because he is too ashamed to admit he cant stop. We call it false recovery. An addict will stay in development stage for an average of 2 years until he reaches CRISIS/DECISION usually because he has been arrested/ wife hands him divorce papers/ loses his job eg severe consequence. Then and only then, does real recovery start. "Don't Call It Love" by Patrick Carnes. Good book and a must read. I can relate to all 7 stages of recovery. I do want to point out that there is hope. I can imagine that it's very hard to see or trust that things will get better when the PA has recently acted out or is relapsing. Thanks for sharing, nannyplum. Don't accept his behavior. Love holds the other accountable and brings up consequences for poor decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 5:37:48 GMT -7
I would urge you not to waste time and to get a polygraph to verify his recovery. It sounds extreme but i would not wish on my worst enemy the years of false recoveries i have had, the amount of time I have had to start again with trust shattered. Why wait 9 years to find out its all been fake? Or are you settling for accepting this is likely going to be part of your future with him? If so, no wonder you cant generate any loving feelings.... Wow I did not even realize that getting a polygraph is an option, but I did a quick search and there's a company that does them close to to us. It's an interesting suggestion. On the the one hand, he could verify that he's really been clean if he has. On the other hand, if the test reveals that he's stumbled.... Then what? He will say "it was just once" "never again", Yada Yada and then I'm back to square one. I have had a nagging feeling since the porn discovery that he may have had a physical affair as well. He is a restaurant owner and almost all of his employees are younger women. He is very friendly with them, which honestly never bothered me before I discovered the porn. Now I wonder. He did offer up the information that when we were first married, one of his long-time employees became inappropriate with him and he had to 'have a talk' with her about it. He swears that was it and nothing ever happened. But he never told me about it back then when it happened... I don't know. If nothing else a polygraph could at least clear up whether there has been a physical affair. I found the book and have started reading it. Thanks for the suggestions.
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