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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 12:48:18 GMT -7
Thanks, Amy!! I'm really hoping that South Dakota will work out... We really make a great team... and could be very useful there. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:49:25 GMT -7
After a difficult night... I've finally decided to move out. The discussion was messy, hurtful, and exhausting. He admitted that he wants me to stay- but I refuse to live in a house where I am blatantly disrespected several times a week.
Ironically, and old girlfriend called when he left to get some air. Her advice was the same as the advice given here. Give this to God... Focus on my relationship with Christ. :-)
Sitting here at lunch mulling over the conversation.... I had an epiphany... He was pointing fingers at me stating that I needed to work on my problem ... I was telling ng him that my problem stemmed from his problem...
And the key is actually "SURRENDER."
He needs Jesus to help him... and I just plain ole need Jesus back in my life. The more I focus on Him and the closer my relationship is with Him... the less our "problems" will be. I don't need to fight... I need to surrender.
I'm hoping that a new living arrangement will turn up soon... I'm estimating that moving into an apartment will cost me approximately $2,000. If this is God's will... then I will walk it out.
We still love each other deeply... but need to live apart for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 13:30:45 GMT -7
Sometimes the most difficult of decisions come with the greatest rewards. Take childbearing, learning to walk, learning to ride a bike, playing a sport, etc. All these demanded some hard decisions, and often at timed we reconsidered our decision. In the end however the payoff was far greater than the pain of endurance. So honey I know it might not seem like it but you made the right choice for BOTH of you. Now you can work on you and him him. Without distractions you both will grow. He needs to get his head out of the River of Denial and see how much of this IS his fault. I'll say a prayer for your living situation.
Father of the universe,
No situation is too difficult for you and today We bring our sister's living situation before you. You know the difficult but necessary decision she made to move out. Now we ask you to provide shelter for her Lord based on her budget. Lord you promise to feed, clothe and shelter us and we ask now to make good on that promise in this regards. We thank you for the place you already picked out and look forward to hearing from our sister on it's looks. Thanks Father for everything. Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 13:41:19 GMT -7
I will be praying that you are able to find a decent place at a good price and that you will have the help you need to move.
I know you love him and I pray God is able to get through to him and change his heart. Do not believe anything he says unless he shows it by his actions. Addicts will do whatever is necessary to have their cake and eat it too. So look to his actions for change. I hate to sound so negative but it is the truth. It will be a long battle when God does get a hold of him. We addicts are stubborn and fearful...not a good combo.
Keep your eyes on God. I encourage you to continue posting here. The more knowledge you have on this addiction, the better you will be when it comes time to support him.
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Post by teetop on Jul 10, 2016 12:23:04 GMT -7
Wow, I debated whether to answer this post or just post a general topic on sin within the body.
But your very first paragraph Curlygurly raises the problem of who is sinning.
By the way, I'm in the same boat, though I'm the one who struggles with porn and my wife has been married more than once. So know this is speaking to me too.
Virgil
Scriptural y speaking, both of you are deep in sin just by the paragraph.
viewing porn is no worse than committing adultery. And though you have not revealed anything about your last three marriages; you were married before. And according to scripture that makes you an adulteress. And I am not talking about spiritual adultery either.
(Unless noted the scripture quotations are from the NASB.)
Exo_20:14 "You shall not commit adultery.
Lev_20:10 'If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Deu_5:18 'You shall not commit adultery.
Mat_5:27 "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';
Mat_5:28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Mat_5:32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mat_19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Mar_10:11 And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her;
Mar_10:12 and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Luk_16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.
Instead of taking sides with either Shammai or Hillel, Jesus went back to Moses and the first marriage (Gen_1:27; Gen_2:21-25). From the beginning, marriage meant one man and one woman becoming one flesh for one lifetime. Moses’ commandment in Deu_24:1-4 was a concession to the Jews because of their hardness of heart. It does not represent God’s ideal for marriage. The parallel passage (Mat_19:1-12) indicates that Jesus did permit divorce on the grounds of sexual immorality (Mar_12:9). Divorce for any other reason — even one permitted by the courts — leads to adultery if the parties remarry (Mar_10:11-12).
Marriage is fundamentally a physical relationship (“one flesh”) and can be broken only by a physical cause, either death (Rom_7:1-3) or adultery (Mat_19:9).(Wiersbe's Expository Outlines)
Now, as you can see as have I (I am in the same boat) that once we spend the time to see what God has to say about our actions and choices, we are without excuse. My sin is no greater than my spouses. Am I in the wrong? Very much so. I not only married a divorced women causing her to commit adultery. I also committed adultery by marring her.
As noted earlier, marriage is not something to take lightly. It is a life long commitment with only two outs:
Death of your spouse. And two; 'sexual immorality.(That is physical not mental.)
I. Marriage and Divorce (Mat_19:1-15)
The Pharisees asked the question about marriage because it was one of the “burning issues” of that day, and they wanted Christ to commit Himself and thus divide the people against Him. The followers of Rabbi Hillel interpreted Deu_24:1 to mean that a man could divorce his wife for any cause, while the followers of Rabbi Shammai held to a strict interpretation, that marriage could be broken only by adultery. Jesus went beyond the rabbis, and even beyond the Law, and reminded the people of the original law of marriage established in Eden. In this passage, there are three “laws” of marriage discussed.
A. The original Edenic law (Mat_19:4-6; Gen_1:27-28; Gen_2:18-25).
God instituted marriage in Eden, long before the Mosaic Law. The Bible gives at least four purposes for marriage: (1) to continue the race (Gen_1:28); (2) for companionship and enjoyment (Gen_2:18); (3) to avoid fornication (1Co_7:1-6); and (4) to show the relationship between Christ and His church (Eph_5:22-23). God’s original purpose was that one man should wed one woman, and only death should break that union (Rom_7:1-3). Marriage is basically a physical union (Mat_19:5), although it ought to be a union of minds and hearts too. The marriage union is even stronger than family ties, for a man is to leave father and mother and cleave to his wife. It is a sacred union, for Jesus said that God joins a man and woman together.
B. The temporary Mosaic Law (Mat_19:7-8; Deu_24:1-4).
Sinners are always looking for excuses, and the Pharisees appealed to Deu_24:1, trying to show that Christ and Moses were in conflict. It is important that we realize why Moses gave this law and what the law really stated. Moses did not command divorce; Christ said that God permitted it, “because of the hardness of your hearts” (Mat_19:8). Moses did command that the divorced woman be given a bill of divorcement, to protect her and to make it more difficult for the man to divorce her in the heat of anger. The woman was forbidden to return to her first husband, but she could marry another man. The phrase “some uncleanness” literally means “a matter of nakedness” and suggests immorality on the part of the woman (Lev_18:1-30). This divorce law was a temporary one for Israel and not permanent for all people.
C. Christ’s law for marriage (Mat_19:9-12).
Christ clearly states that divorce is permitted for only one cause, fornication. This is a sin against the body (1Co_6:15-18) and thus a sin against the marriage union, which is a physical union. The word “fornication” as used in the Bible seems to include a number of sexual sins. Mar_7:21 speaks of “fornications” (plural), while Act_15:20, Rom_1:29, and 1Co_6:13 indicate that “fornication” covers sexual sins in general. It is commonly agreed that fornication is used of sins committed by the unmarried, adultery by the married. In any case, Jesus states that divorce for any other reason makes the parties guilty of adultery if they remarry (see 5:27-31; Luk_16:18; Mar_10:1-2). Thus, there are but two physical causes that can break the marriage union: death and fornication.
The response of the disciples (Mat_19:10-12) indicates they didn’t understand God’s will regarding marriage. While the Bible does not exalt celibacy, it does recognize that not everybody is supposed to be married. Paul indicates this in 1Co_7:7. Paul himself refrained from marriage that he might better serve God, but this is not the will of God for all His servants. A person must find God’s will for his life and be sure to marry “in the Lord” (1Co_7:39).[(Wiersbe's Expository Outlines)]
Here is a link that after it touches on, 'Thou shall not murder,' it goes to the topic of marriage and divorce.
His Channel
Here are just a few comments on certain Greek words covered in this topic.
Fornication, Fornicator
A. Nouns.
1. porneia (G4202) is used (a) of "illicit sexual intercourse," in Joh_8:41; Act_15:20, Act_15:29; Act_21:25; 1Co_5:1; 1Co_6:13, 1Co_6:18; 2Co_12:21; Gal_5:19; Eph_5:3; Col_3:5; 1Th_4:3; Rev_2:21; Rev_9:21; in the plural in 1Co_7:2; in Mat_5:32 and Mat_19:9 it stands for, or includes, adultery; it is distinguished from it in Mat_15:19 and Mar_7:21; (b) metaphorically, of "the association of pagan idolatry with doctrines of, and professed adherence to, the Christian faith," Rev_14:8; Rev_17:2, Rev_17:4; Rev_18:3; Rev_19:2; some suggest this as the sense in Rev_2:21.
2. pornos (G4205) denotes "a man who indulges in fornication, a fornicator," 1Co_5:9, 1Co_5:10, 1Co_5:11; 1Co_6:9; Eph_5:5, RV; 1Ti_1:10, RV; Heb_12:16; Heb_13:4, RV; Rev_21:8 and Rev_22:15, RV (KJV, " whoremonger").
B. Verbs.
1. porneuo (G4203) "to commit fornication," is used (a) literally, Mar_10:19; 1Co_6:18; 1Co_10:8; Rev_2:14, Rev_2:20, see (a) and (b) above; (b) metaphorically, Rev_17:2; Rev_18:3, Rev_18:9.
2. ekporneuo (G1608), a strengthened form of No. 1 (ek, used intensively), "to give oneself up to fornication," implying excessive indulgence, Jud_1:7.(Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
Adulterer (-ess), Adulterous, Adultery
A. Nouns.
1. moichos (G3432) denotes one "who has unlawful intercourse with the spouse of another," Luk_18:11; 1Co_6:9; Heb_13:4. As to Jam_4:4, see below.
2. moichalis (G3428), "an adulteress," is used (a) in the natural sense, 2Pe_2:14; Rom_7:3; (b) in the spiritual sense, Jam_4:4; here the RV rightly omits the word "adulterers." It was added by a copyist. As in Israel the breach of their relationship with God through their idolatry, was described as "adultery" or "harlotry" (e.g., Eze_16:15, etc.; Eze_23:43), so believers who cultivate friendship with the world, thus breaking their spiritual union with Christ, are spiritual "adulteresses," having been spiritually united to Him as wife to husband, Rom_7:4. It is used adjectivally to describe the Jewish people in transferring their affections from God, Mat_12:39; Mat_16:4; Mar_8:38. In 2Pe_2:14, the lit. translation is "full of an adulteress" (RV, marg.).
3. moicheia (G3430), "adultery," is found in Mat_15:19; Mar_7:21; Joh_8:3 (KJV only).
B. Verbs.
1. moichao (G3429), used in the middle voice in the NT, is said of men in Mat_5:32; Mat_19:9; Mar_10:11; of women in Mar_10:12.
2. moicheuo (G3431) is used in Mat_5:27-28, Mat_5:32 (in Mat_5:32 some texts have No. 1); Mat_19:18; Mar_10:19; Luk_16:18; Luk_18:20; Joh_8:4; Rom_2:22; Rom_13:9; Jam_2:11; in Rev_2:22, metaphorically, of those who are by a Jezebel's solicitations drawn away to idolatry.(Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
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HISTORY: I have been in a relationship with my SO for just over a year. He was single, never married, and no kids. I have been married three times (always a long story) and I have three kids who all live on their own. I suspected that he might have done porn early in the relationship. He just seemed really protective of his digital devices. When my suspicions were confirmed... I moved in with him (what was I thinking?!) Actually, I was thinking that if I was there... he wouldn't do porn. I know that living with a man is not the "Christian" way... But that's a topic for another day. NOW: I've been sending him articles on porn. They are educational... Like the effects on the body and relationships. Today, he sent me several articles on low self esteem, insecurity, and jealousy. His thinking that he's expressed in the past was that if I was a more secure person, then I wouldn't care if he looked at pretty women in lingerie... or care that he only clicks "like" on his sexy looking friends' pictures. Is this my problem or his?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 12:44:51 GMT -7
teetop i get the impression you're more than a little fixated on the 'sin' of divorce. The poster has not given details of her previous marriages so we have no way of knowing if she divorced scripturally as an innocent and is therefore NOT necessarily an adulteress.
Even if she is , the porn issue is a huge problem on the part of the porn user and this is what she has asked for help with. Telling her she is sinning too is completely missing the point! As she says, thats a topic for another day. What she is asking is if its wrong that she is so bothered by the porn. No , she is not wrong to be bothered by it. Yes, porn is a problem. These are the answers to her cry for help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 15:31:24 GMT -7
Curly knows she is a sinner...as are we all. Sexual immortality is a huge problem in our society today. I myself am the biggest sinner in this category. I cannot count the number of Sexual encounters I had. They were numerous. After I gave those up, I got into porn and MB. After I got that under control, met my ex and he proposed and I gave in to my lusts before we were married. It is a common battle we face.
Just want to make this clear...we welcome all people here no matter what sins they are dealing with. Yes sin is sin and it will be talked about. We are Christians and as the bible says, iron sharpens iron. We must approach these hot button topics with love for our fellow brothers and sisters. Please do not let the condemnation that comes internally with our sins chase you away. Condemnation is not from God.
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Post by teetop on Jul 10, 2016 16:38:14 GMT -7
Thank you ellekay, but here is what she asked at the bottom of her posting:
curlygurly's quote: "Is this my problem or his?"
This is what I was trying to give the answer too.
Porn is a very troubling problem in the church as well as outside of it.
Along with everything that is associated with it.
As for divorce, the church has followed the world into it. Easy come easy go.
With few exceptions, I've seen only a few times where a church really sets before the perspective Newly-weds, just what marriage is all about and the gravity of the choice. And I'm sorry to say that I've been married twice and as far as I can tell scriptural y, my first one which lasted 14 years was done as a non-believer, therefor in the world.(Though the more I look into it the more I realize I may be very wrong)
Instead of trying to tell my past sexual debauchery, I'd probably be better suited telling about my spiritual screw-ups. But till I do, here is a link to one of the few good sermons on the topic of marriage Biblical y;
Marriage: The Original Blueprint - Genesis 2:18-25
This is from Skip Heitzig of Calvary Albuquerque.
And here is a list from the Church's Teaching Library I believe on marriage.
Biblical Marriage teaching list
Try as I might, knowing this site is for support to overcome a specific set of addiction problems; mainly porn and masturbation. At least that is my understanding and one of the main reasons for me to join.
I'm hard pressed to find any Biblical teachings on what marriage should be like.
But thanks to the lovely members, I'm having to dig into God's word and spend hours searching out what is there on the topic. And the more I do the more convicted I become as to how far I've strayed from God's Law of marriage. And what a fool I've been.
As for the, 'sin of divorce', you've probably labeled it correctly for the most part.
Again Ellekay thank you for your response, it is a Blessing.
Virgil
teetop i get the impression you're more than a little fixated on the 'sin' of divorce. The poster has not given details of her previous marriages so we have no way of knowing if she divorced scripturally as an innocent and is therefore NOT necessarily an adulteress. Even if she is , the porn issue is a huge problem on the part of the porn user and this is what she has asked for help with. Telling her she is sinning too is completely missing the point! As she says, thats a topic for another day. What she is asking is if its wrong that she is so bothered by the porn. No , she is not wrong to be bothered by it. Yes, porn is a problem. These are the answers to her cry for help.
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Post by teetop on Jul 10, 2016 22:46:53 GMT -7
Amy, I don't know if you knew about Tammy Faye Bakker's little book:
'Run to the Roar : The Way to Overcome Fear'
Few things seldom chase me away and fear has always plagued me, but I always remember this little book.
I'm sad that when I click on the membership list and then click on who is online and only find myself most of the time. But then I suppose most members are from the East Coast and have already left for the day.
Below, you will find a statement from Paul in 2Corinthians 12:21 ( two different translations)along with Strong's Greek numbers.
2Co 12:21 I am afraid that when I comeG2064 againG3825 my GodG2316 may humiliateG5013 me beforeG4314 you, and I may mournG3996 over manyG4183 of thoseG3588 who have sinnedG4258 in the pastG4258 and not repentedG3340 of the impurityG167, immoralityG4202 and sensualityG766 whichG3739 they have practicedG4238 (NASB+)
2Co 12:21 And lest,G3361 when I comeG2064 again,G3825 myG3450 GodG2316 will humbleG5013 meG3165 amongG4314 you,G5209 andG2532 that I shall bewailG3996 manyG4183 which have sinned already,G4258 andG2532 have notG3361 repentedG3340 ofG1909 theG3588 uncleannessG167 andG2532 fornicationG4202 andG2532 lasciviousnessG766 whichG3739 they have committed.G4238(KJV+)
Yes, sin is sin no-matter who has committed it.
And unless I read scripture wrong, I'm hard pressed to find one sin greater than another.
That includes sexual sins over say; tail-wagging.
It reminds me of Abigail and Nabal.
1Sa 25:2 And there was a man at Maon, whose business was at Carmel; and the man was very great, and he had three thousand sheep and a thousand goats; and he was shearing his sheep at Carmel.
1Sa 25:3 And the name of the man was Nabal, and the name of his wife Abigail; and the woman was of good understanding, and of a beautiful countenance; but the man was churlish and evil in his doings; and he was a Calebite.
1Sa 25:4 And David heard in the wilderness that Nabal was shearing his sheep.
1Sa 25:5 Then David sent out ten young men; and David said to the young men, Go up to Carmel, and go to Nabal, and greet him in my name.
1Sa 25:6 And thus shall ye say: Long life to thee ! and peace be to thee, and peace be to thy house, and peace be to all that thou hast!
1Sa 25:7 And now I have heard that thou hast shearers; now thy shepherds who were with us, we hurt them not, neither was there aught missed by them, all the while they were in Carmel.
1Sa 25:8 Ask thy young men, and they will tell thee. Therefore let the young men find favour in thine eyes; for we come in a good day: give, I pray thee, what thy hand may find to thy servants, and to thy son David.
1Sa 25:9 And David's young men came, and spoke to Nabal according to all those words in the name of David, and ceased.
1Sa 25:10 And Nabal answered David's servants and said, Who is David? and who is the son of Jesse? there are many servants now -a-days that break away every man from his master.
1Sa 25:11 And shall I take my bread, and my water, and my flesh which I have killed for my shearers, and give it to men whom I know not whence they are?
1Sa 25:12 And David's young men turned their way, and went back, and came and reported to him according to all those words.
1Sa 25:13 And David said to his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword; and David also girded on his sword; and there went up after David about four hundred men; and two hundred abode by the baggage.
1Sa 25:14 And one of Nabal's young men told Abigail, Nabal's wife, saying, Behold, David sent messengers out of the wilderness to bless our master; and he has insulted them.
1Sa 25:15 And the men were very good to us, and we were not hurt, neither missed we anything, as long as we companied with them, when we were in the fields.
1Sa 25:16 They were a wall to us both by night and day, all the while we were with them feeding the sheep.
1Sa 25:17 And now know and consider what thou wilt do, for evil is determined against our master, and against all his household; and he is such a son of Belial, that one cannot speak to him.
1Sa 25:18 And Abigail made haste, and took two hundred loaves, and two skin-bottles of wine, and five sheep ready dressed, and five measures of parched corn , and a hundred raisin-cakes, and two hundred fig-cakes, and laid them on asses.
1Sa 25:19 And she said to her young men, Go on before me; behold, I come after you. But she did not tell her husband Nabal.
1Sa 25:20 And as she was riding on the ass, and coming down by the covert of the hill, behold, David and his men came down opposite to her; and she met them.
1Sa 25:21 Now David had said, Surely, in vain have I kept all that this man had in the wilderness, so that nothing was missed of all that was his; and he has requited me evil for good.
1Sa 25:22 So and more also do God to the enemies of David, if I leave of all that is his by the morning light any male.
1Sa 25:23 And when Abigail saw David, she hasted and lighted off the ass, and fell before David on her face, and bowed herself to the ground,
1Sa 25:24 and fell at his feet, and said, Upon me, my lord, upon me let the iniquity be; but let thy handmaid, I pray thee, speak in thine ears, and hear the words of thy handmaid.
1Sa 25:25 Let not my lord, I pray thee, regard this man of Belial, Nabal; for as his name is, so is he: Nabal is his name, and folly is with him; and I thy handmaid did not see the young men of my lord, whom thou didst send.
1Sa 25:26 And now, my lord, as Jehovah liveth, and as thy soul liveth, seeing Jehovah has restrained thee from coming with bloodshed, and from avenging thyself with thine own hand, now let thine enemies, and they that seek evil to my lord, be as Nabal.
1Sa 25:27 And now this blessing which thy bondmaid has brought to my lord, let it be given to the young men that follow my lord.
1Sa 25:28 I pray thee, forgive the transgression of thy handmaid: for Jehovah will certainly make my lord a lasting house; because my lord fights the battles of Jehovah, and evil has not been found in thee all thy days.
1Sa 25:29 And if a man is risen up to pursue thee and to seek thy life, the soul of my lord shall be bound in the bundle of the living with Jehovah thy God; and the souls of thine enemies, them shall he sling out from the hollow of the sling.
1Sa 25:30 And it shall come to pass, when Jehovah shall do to my lord according to all the good that he has spoken concerning thee, and shall appoint thee ruler over Israel,
1Sa 25:31 that this shall be no stumbling-block to thee, nor offence of heart for my lord, either that thou hast shed blood without cause, or that my lord has avenged himself. And when Jehovah shall deal well with my lord, then remember thy handmaid.
1Sa 25:32 And David said to Abigail, Blessed be Jehovah, the God of Israel, who sent thee this day to meet me.
1Sa 25:33 And blessed be thy discernment, and blessed be thou, who hast kept me this day from coming with bloodshed, and from avenging myself with mine own hand.
1Sa 25:34 But indeed, as Jehovah the God of Israel liveth, who has restrained me from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, there had not been left to Nabal by the morning light any male.
1Sa 25:35 So David received of her hand what she had brought him, and said to her, Go up in peace to thy house; see, I have hearkened to thy voice, and have accepted thy person.
1Sa 25:36 And Abigail came to Nabal; and behold, he held a feast in his house, like the feast of a king; and Nabal's heart was merry within him, for he was drunken to excess; so she told him nothing, less or more, until the morning light.
1Sa 25:37 And it came to pass in the morning, when the wine was gone out of Nabal, that his wife told him these things; and his heart died within him, and he became as a stone.
1Sa 25:38 And it came to pass in about ten days that Jehovah smote Nabal, and he died.
1Sa 25:39 And when David heard that Nabal was dead, he said, Blessed be Jehovah, who has pleaded the cause of my reproach from the hand of Nabal, and has kept back his servant from evil; but Jehovah has returned Nabal's evil upon his own head. And David sent and communed with Abigail, to take her as his wife.
1Sa 25:40 And the servants of David came to Abigail to Carmel, and spoke to her, saying, David has sent us to thee, to take thee as his wife.
1Sa 25:41 And she arose and bowed herself on her face to the earth, and said, Behold, let thy handmaid be a bondwoman to wash the feet of the servants of my lord.
1Sa 25:42 And Abigail hasted, and arose, and rode upon an ass, with five damsels of hers that followed her; and she went after the messengers of David, and became his wife.
1Sa 25:43 David had also taken Ahinoam of Jizreel; and they became, even both of them, his wives.
1Sa 25:44 But Saul had given Michal his daughter, David's wife, to Phalti the son of Laish, who was of Gallium.
Abigail not only honored her husband Nabal by protecting him and his household.
She excepted the fact she was also excepting that they were one flesh.(Marriage)
She spoke the truth as to what Nabal was like at the same time also excepting the wrong.
I'm getting sleepy, so bed time.
Enjoy the reading, it's a great story from scripture.
Virgil
Curly knows she is a sinner...as are we all. Sexual immortality is a huge problem in our society today. I myself am the biggest sinner in this category. I cannot count the number of Sexual encounters I had. They were numerous. After I gave those up, I got into porn and MB. After I got that under control, met my ex and he proposed and I gave in to my lusts before we were married. It is a common battle we face. Just want to make this clear...we welcome all people here no matter what sins they are dealing with. Yes sin is sin and it will be talked about. We are Christians and as the bible says, iron sharpens iron. We must approach these hot button topics with love for our fellow brothers and sisters. Please do not let the condemnation that comes internally with our sins chase you away. Condemnation is not from God.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:22:17 GMT -7
Wow.
One thing I know for sure. We are all at different stages in our lives. It's never good to point fingers. That's God's job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 4:55:48 GMT -7
Curly! Hi Honey! I have missed you. How are you doing?
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