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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 15:33:56 GMT -7
Plain and simple: How do I communicate with my partner the need for blocking porn at home? ....
We've talked about it a couple of times, but he refuses to agree with blocking porn on the Internet. His reasoning is that he feels that he will never overcome the addiction by eradicating it from his life. He wants to learn to be strong enough to be able to refuse it if the temptation is present.
While I can see his reasoning... I'm thinking that his idea is not going to help him succeed in kicking the porn habit. I also feel that the open doorway creates additional distrust within myself towards him.
Is it selfish for me to ask him to block porn again?
How do I ask without putting him on the defense?
Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -7
It's not selfish for you to want him to stop looking at porn. And if he gets defensive, well, you wouldn't be having this conversation if he didn't have this addiction. My hubby tried for over a decade to quit on his own and it didn't work. Porn is as addictive as heroin. It lights up the same parts of the brain.
I gave my hubby of 18 years (this was Sept of 14) a list of boundaries, one, Porn blocking software on everything, two, he was to attend a support group for the rest of his life and three, he had to have sponsor for the rest of his life b/c porn will be a temptation for the rest of their lives. We attend Celebrate Recovery which is a Christian based group for ppl with hurts, habits and hangups. You can google their website and see if there is one in your area. We were separated in the home for over a year. I'm starting therapy on Monday. I think I finally found someone who can help me.
He had to chose b/t porn....or me b/c after over a decade of it, I was soooooo ready to divorce.
Porn is adultery and it can lead to acting out physically. How long have you been together? Do you have children together?
Welcome to BG BTW. He CAN get victory. But he has to come out of isolation. Is he a believer? My hubby has been sober for a year and PB software helped a lot. Knowing that I was getting a report every week made him stop. He also didn't want to lose me nor his three teen kids and miss out on our lives. Check out Covenant Eyes.
I will be praying for ya'll esp you. Also, pray before you confront him.
Take care and good luck! God CAN pull down this stronghold.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 17:09:31 GMT -7
How I would approach it is to say something like this:
"I understand where you are coming from however leaving this open door generates in me more distrust. I would feel more at ease with the blocking software in place."
But I was like Homeschooler and just told my ex what needed to happen in order for me to stay...one was blocking and monitoring software. If you approach it nicely they will flip it around and convince you that it is not needed. Heck my ex blamed me for his addiction. I have been on both sides of this addiction...I have been sober from porn and MB for 8 years. Married hubby this year and found out about his addiction, got pregnant and miscarried, hubby didn't comply with my demands so pulled a report on him. Confronted him on his viewing child porn. He got violent. I divorced him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 20:36:38 GMT -7
I respect him enough to not take the stance that I'm telling him what to do. However, I'm frustrated that his "progress" is so slow. We have been together for just over a year... I moved in with him 6 or 7 months after we started dating... My counselor advised me to create my own deadline to re-evaluate our relationship. I was asked to move out once... But he let me stay on the conditions that I'm getting counseling services. I almost moved out again this past weekend... But I'm still here. He thinks the problem is my propensity to check up on him and he can't stand the idea that I sometimes do. My counselor stated that an addict will protect the source as much as possible... That's what I see happening here.
I would be soooo interested to hear a man's point of view....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 21:01:59 GMT -7
I'll PM John and Kevin to have them chime in. They both work so may not get a response right away in the AM.
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Post by KevinesKay on Dec 10, 2015 23:08:38 GMT -7
Hi everyone,
Most of us here know my stance on boundaries. As a PA, it would be unacceptable for me to have easy access to P in my own home. If I ever want to act out, I'm going to use every opportunity now that I have clarity to make it as difficult as possible. In the olden days, us PAs would have to go "out". Nowadays, we can act out in the privacy of our own home no thanks to the world wide web.
Would I keep porn in my closet? I would certainly hope not! But believe it or not, PAs will justify having such a "security" stash of P. I've done it myself. And I've scammed myself into thinking that by having some old P in my closet, I was helping myself to recover from it. Pretty nuts, eh?
And this is how I view unrestricted access to the internet. That's it's nothing more than a "security" stash of free P that is a mile long, and it changes every day. I've rarely seen a PA recover from P without practicing radical amputation and cutting off all access to P.
You have heard that it was said to the ancients: "Do not commit adultery." But I say to you, Everyone looking at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. But if your right eye offends you, take it out and throw if from you - for it is profitable to you that one of your members should perish, and all your body not be thrown into Hell. And if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you - for it is profitable to you that one of your members should perish, and all your body not be thrown into Hell. Matthew 5:27-30
PAs are very slippery people. My idea is to get the internet out of the home altogether. If he needs it so bad, he can go use the free wi-fi at McDonald's or such. Or get some serious strategies in place to block P during times he's online. Covenant Eyes is a pretty good filter. Most internet filters are no good for a PA. As a PA myself, I can break through most internet filters like a hot knife through butter. And don't give me administrative access. All havoc will come loose if you give me that. lol!
For me, setting these boundaries is my job, not my wife's. It would be too overwhelming and challenging for my wife to figure out how to keep her husband away from P.
In blocking P from my computer, I used my supporting wife to set and keep all the passwords, but halfway through the process, she was scratching her head wondering why I was taking so many steps. Thats because it takes a PA to know how to addict-proof his home. Of course, this all just my opinion.
Perhaps some may view me weak because I have to set so many physical boundaries around my internet and TV use. Okay, so I'm weak. I can admit that. But if I try to rely on my own strength, I fail to lean on God's superior strength. And today, I didn't view P. And I am extremely grateful that P is not easily accessible in my home. It actually feels very freeing.
Bottom line, if someone is struggling with P, I would seriously doubt his or her desire to recover if he/she refuses to set boundaries and restrict access to P in the home. Would a recovering alcoholic keep whiskey in his cupboard or beer in the fridge?
I surely hope your man changes his mind and sets some serious boundaries for himself. He needs to have a plan. Otherwise, I don't see him having much success. He may do well on his own 99% of the time. But all it takes is that 1% of the time where he can lose clarity and he crashes down hard. No one is perfect. And no one is perfect 100% of the time.
And I surely hope for your sake that you won't tolerate being treated this way. And unfortunately, it's not going to be easy. You're going to have to put your foot down hard! Otherwise, your partner will probably not take you seriously. I'm sorry, but I think that's the best way. And it's my opinion that you would be better off alone for the rest of your life than staying in a relationship with a man that cannot work to keep custody of his eyes and mind and body. God bless you sister.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:20:12 GMT -7
Good morning and welcome to Blazing Grace Forums. I can see that you have already met several of our members and have a great start on building a strong support group. I have been asked by our wonderful administrator to give you some advice on a particular difficult subject for you. i will try to do my best to offer some wisdom.
In viewing your question, I am at a loss for just how to respond. Since I do not know much about your relationship I can only offer up some very basic suggestions.
Since you two have only been in this relationship for about a year it is still young and fresh. So I caution you to be careful in how you approach this matter. I am concerned that you stated twice that you wanted to leave and that your counselor advised you to "reevaluate" your relationship. To me that sends up red flags that there is more going on then just the P.
In regards to the P addiction, you NEED to make it clear on where you stand with it. Make sure he knows your convictions are your convictions and do not back down. Do not accuse or judge his actions. Just state the fact that you will not tolerate it in your house (While you are staying there, your relationship, (While you are together), and your life (You personally). Telling him "what to do" is never a good idea unless you are either his mother or his wife. I say this not as a guy but as a Christian. You have to have credibility and while being a girlfriend does have some merit, being a wife or mother carries a lot more weight in the long run. Also I believe that boundaries are a good thing and necessary for any relationship. If he is willing I would like for you BOTH to set some boundaries for your relationship TOGETHER. This needs to be a rational list done when you are both calm and committed to this relationship. If you do not want P in the relationship he must______? If he does not want you "spying" on him then______? Trust is what is needed in this relationship and for now I am thinking that the trust issue has "been on the rocks" long before this P issue.
If he respects this idea and listens to what you have to say then by all means go for it. If he does got for the idea of MUTUAL boundaries take baby steps. Give him one or two BIG things along with little things to start off with. You can always add more BIG things as time goes by. Remember this is about rebuilding trust on both ends. Do not overwhelm him nor let him bully you. Keep everything rational as far as your "demands" go. If he absolutely refuses then I would suggest a "cooling off period". Go stay at you girlfriends or parents place for a week and see how the relationship progresses.
I hope this gives you some hope. You need to do the work needed in your relationship. We are here to guide and support you in whatever decision you make so make it a good one...lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 11:14:38 GMT -7
Gosh, you guys... Thanks so much to all of you for taking the time to write down your insights and thoughts. You've given me much to think about... I need to chew on this for a little bit. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 13:12:12 GMT -7
I also wanted to stress the need to bring Christ into the picture. Since we are a Christ based forum site I would like you to pray about the situation as will I for help and before you talk to your SO (Signifigant Other) If you wish You can post your prayer here or in our prayer request folder.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 22:17:59 GMT -7
I've been praying every day... and I've approached the topic twice. It's feeling like, to me, that he's going to have to hear it from another man. I'm praying that the LORD will send Godly men into his life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 6:17:13 GMT -7
I will add my prayer to yours as well.
Dear Father God, thank you for guiding curlygurly to our forums. Please Lord work in her relationship and work on her SO's heart. Bring Godly men into his life to help guide him in this battle against porn. Lord give him the strength to say no to porn and yes to You. Give curlygurly the wisdom and knowledge she needs to come along side him to help him. In Christ's name I pray.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 22:13:07 GMT -7
Our Father, Your ways are beyond our understanding and we have come to appreciate and respect them. Thank you for leading this young woman and her SO to our forum. May your love continue to shine down on her as she walks by your side through this time of trial. Give her the words to say and open his ears Lord so that he may hear her convictions. Strengthen her while you comfort her. Make him understand the truth Lord. Soften his heart and renew his mind for You. We know that Your heart is grieved in this matter as much if not more than ours. We love you Lord and look forward to You working within this relationship. Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 4:59:15 GMT -7
Thanks so much, guys. We were in church yesterday and I was reminded that Gods timing does not necessarily match up with my timing... and He's never late... always perfect. :-)
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