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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 9:00:13 GMT -7
Hi DW.
Can I ask you how you deal with society's view on porn. Are you able to talk to people freely about your problems. Do you get critisism from people? Do people tell you your oversensitive and a control freak?
I have nobody to talk to about this and the isolation of this is causing possibly more damage than the problem. I WILL be judged by EVERYBODY I know. The councellors here are far too behind on this new subject and I feel I would be a better councellor than them (except for the fact that I can't see the way through).
Also even though I know there are women out there with the same problems, I feel they bow their heads and hide for fear of more damage to their already tramatized minds.
I'm in Ireland by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 9:45:05 GMT -7
hopefull,
Fáilte! I'm a poor substitute for DW, but I have 2 quick thoughts that might (or might not) be helpful:
(1) The wife of an addict that I know from another board had good success working with a counselor who started out not knowing anything about sex addiction, but who was willing herself as homework to read some of Patrick Carnes' work and who became quite an effective resource as a result. I think this was in Canada somewhere. It's possible (though obviously by no means certain) that you might be able to replicate that experience.
(2) The people at www.iitap.com/ list only one certified sex addiction therapist in Ireland, who is up in County Armagh. That may be out of the question, especially if, as I assume, you're from the Irish Republic. Even if that's too far, though, it's possible she might have contacts with people in your area whom she could recommend. The contact info from IITAP's site says
Mary Martin-Gogarty
1 Cottage Walk, Dollingstown
Lurgan, Co Armagh BT679NH
phone 00447729159223
There's also a link to e-mail her.
Now I'll get out of the way and let DW do what obviously I can't.
Peace,
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 6:45:13 GMT -7
Dear Hopeful,
I will try to answer each question in turn.
[user=94728]hopefull[/user] wrote:
Here in the states, it is difficult to say there is a singular societal view of porn. In Pennsylvania, I think the attitude is boys will be boys. The church that I attended for sometime immediately after my discovery regularly preached against pornography. The pastor mentioned it in nearly every sermon. Seems he knew how widespread the problem was and tried to address it from the pulpit weekly. We have a female legislator, or had (she was convicted of using her staff for campaign activities and sentenced to prison), tried to mount a legal crusade against porn. Her arguments were poorly articulated, full of naked assertions that were not supported by hard data, and she ran head long into our First Amendment to the Constitution which protects "free speech," which covers porn. The courts here have made hair-splitting, amorphous distinctions between porn and obscenity. Obscenity is not protected speech (appeals purely to the prurient interest and goes against community standards----apply that if you can), mere porn is or has been deemed protected speech. Society routinely ridiculed her for trying to institute a sex police force. Her efforts didn't get very far.
Do I talk freely about this? Absolutely not. Message boards have been an absolute Godsend because I can "talk" with people who have been there, done that. Unless a woman or a man has walked in our shoes, I don't think they can possibly understand the devastation this addiction causes. I've disclosed discreetly. Those that I have told have been very, very supportive. I've not had anyone tell me that I'm overly sensitive or a control freak....thankfully.
I think there may be people who would be supportive, but it is hard to discern who those people might be while you are still in full blown shock. I didn't tell my best friend for over a year. I understand the isolation you feel. Reach out via this message board to connect with women who understand. I have to say honestly, I don't think counselors are properly trained to deal with the spouses trauma upon discovery. I was labeled co-dependent and treated as such. I really don't think any counselor I saw "got it." Quite often, I felt as though I had to protect myself from my counselors. I refused to be blamed and I refused to molly-coddle him in any way shape or form. I can't say the counselors did me any good what so ever. You may be better off going it alone, with online help from those of us who've walked in your shoes.
The tincture of time heals many wounds. Mike Genung's writings were a Godsend to me immediately after I found the porn. His straight talk to the addicts and to the wives gave me a spine implant that I carry to this day. I devoured every book on the subject that I could get my hands on. Marsh Means and Laurie Hall were two of my favorite authors. I had some one on one phone counseling sessions with Dr. Doug Weiss' people. They helped me the most of any counselor. My "husband's" root issue is intimacy anorexia. Reading about intimacy anorexia flung the doors of understanding wide open. www.intimacyanorexia.com/
No woman should hang her head in shame. You are the victim of his addiction. You didn't cause it. You can't control it. You can't cure it. Chances are he was sick before he married you. He brought this filth into the marriage. Please, please, please do not accept any of the blame for his addiction. There is no doubt that you have been traumatized by this experience. That's nothing to be ashamed of. My husband had sneered at me for years. I never knew why. I did my best to ignore it. When I found the porn, I instantly knew why. He'd been comparing me to the porn for decades. I didn't measure up. My bad. There was a part of me that was like a crushed flower. There was a bigger part of me that was like a caged tigress. When I found the porn, I lept out of my cage with fangs and claws bared and ready for battle.
Please do not allow this to crush you, crush your spirit or ruin your life. You are in charge of your life. You are the only one who can change your life. If you don't like the way it is going, make a plan and make a change. Whatever makes you feel trapped and helpless......identify it and find a way to change it. Adopt the stance of the tigress. Please don't allow yourself to be a victim.
I bid you peace and serenity from across the pond.
My best, DW
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 8:00:23 GMT -7
Tim, That first suggestion is an excellent idea. I might look in to that.
The second idea, I have already looked into. And not just in this country. We went to another country that has 'specialists' about this and they seem to be as clueless as the ones we met here. I can not understand it! I think maybe because it's a relatively new issue and the fact there isn't enough proper research done on it is holding it back. Also I feel society subconsiously knows it's harmful but they don't want to admit it so they fight it.
DW, Thank you so much for your reply. It was very informative. Yes I agree that unless they've walked in our shoes they can't possibly comprehend what we're going through. They all seem to have closed minds about it.
Yes you're right when you say this place is a Godsend! If it wasn't for this people would telling me i'm confused and I don't know what I think, but ye see it! Ye know what's going on in my head! Very thankful for that.
Also I wasn't refering to myself being ashamed, I know now to completely trust my feelings and instincts. Something I've always fighted with logic. Not anymore though. Now I match my thoughts to my feelings and know that's right. I was referring to the other women who have been battled down by society to hide. I can't see them because they hide! It's really sad because I know how alone they feel. But I'll keep looking.
Thanks Guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 8:47:05 GMT -7
Hi Hopefull,
No, we ladies don't wear "my husband's a porn addict" on our sleeves, but I have ferreted out some by listening between the lines for the general symptoms of addiction. When you demonstrate knowledge of and compassion for those living with an addict, they often open up and share.
TruthSeeker
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 10:43:59 GMT -7
Ya, I try to read between the lines too but its hard to tell if it's another issue in the marraige or if its this specific problem. I can tell by the way a woman talks about her husband but can't narrow it down to that. Still looking though.
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