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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 14:07:45 GMT -7
I have been lurking here for many years but have never posted before. I feel that I am at a cross roads and some thing needs to give. I have been with my husband for 27 years and we have 2 children. My husbands job requires that he is gone from 24 to 48 hours at a time. So he goes to work, and is gone for about 2 days and then is home for few days. When he is gone he stays in a motel, which averages out to about twice a week. I run a home business so I could be home with our kids with his schedule. It has been fifteen years since I woke up and realized that he has had a problem with porn and masturbation. I knew he had a porn stash when we met but I never seen him get into it or use any of it. Things were great in our marriage we were married for three years before we had children and they were both planned everything was great. Then three life changing events happened and our lives spiraled out of control. First my husbands father walked out on his mother after 35 years and completely devastated his mother, my husband and our family. My husband and his father were best friends. The second thing that tore at us is my child who was almost 4 years old was bitten by a tiger and that crushed me into a million pieces and I felt so guilty it should have never happened. I went through a huge depression. I got my son help with years of therapy but I never got any help for myself. Then several months later my mother died. She was my best friend so I was very lost and alone. Part of me shut down, my husband who is drowning in his own pain decides to dive into porn so days, months, years, go by. While I'm fixing breakfast, lunch, dinner, cleaning house taking care of kids, bathing, doing homework, taking care of everything. He sits on the computer looking at porn for years. The computer was in our bedroom and I remember waking up to the sound of the printer going off and he would be printing off pictures of naked women=girls while I lay there sleeping. I would get up and leave our bed and tell him when he is done p**sy hunting to let me know so I could go back to bed. He could see that this was really hurting me but it made no difference to him. I blew a gasket when I found my daughter watching her father threw a mirror, she could see the pictures that he was looking at and he didn't even know she was there watching him until I came around the corner and caught her watching her dad. She was only 7 years old. He stopped for a short time but then started sneaking on the computer but I became really good about finding out where he had been spending his time on the computer. So years went by and I shut down more and more he kept sneaking around. We moved to a new town but kept our same jobs. I decided that I was done with his porn use. So I told him that It was the porn or me. So of course he chooses me. He proceeds to clean out his magazines and 2 porn video's throws them in the garbage. So a few years go by and I'm still so devastated that he has degraded me and made me feel like a piece of shxt... like a complete door mat. He stopped looking at porn at home I know because I put on a key stroke logger without him knowing. I know that things didn't change for him while he was away working I could tell by how things were in the bedroom. Nothing really seemed to change except his anger he seem to get more and more angry I also made him accountable with all money. Several years went by and things never got any better. Then one year for Christmas my husband asked me for a pda so he could track stuff for his job. What I didn't know was that he wanted it for the internet porn. So I got him a pda and he got me the nicest gift a pair of diamond earnings & matching necklace a very pricey gift and he had never given me anything like this before. It made me wonder why now when things aren't very good between us. Well it only took 12 days for me to find out why he bought me that gift it was a guilt gift. On the 12 day he went to a store and bought a memory card for his pda. So I called the store and they told me it was to hold pictures up to 1000. My world was crushed all over again. So I confronted him and told him you can either tell me the truth or we can drive several hours to your work because he keeps a bag in his locker for things he would need for a couple of days. He came clean and told me that he bought the memory card and had downloaded a bunch of porn. So I am still so hurt and crushed down to my soul to know that the only reason he bought me those beautiful earrings and necklace. Too bad I can't wear them it makes me sick to my stomach to think of why he bought them for me. About a year goes by and we get into a fight about how he tricked me into buying him his pda so he gets mad and smashes it with a hammer. Like that is going to change anything for me. So once again he has chosen me and this time I bring him to blazing grace he reads over it and tells me he does't have a problem he's not an addict, and he can stop on his own. So now a few more years go by and our marriage is falling apart. I have shut down so bad we are suffering from intimacy anorexia we have sex but its pathetic so now I come to a cross roads. So here we are in the present and things are bad I'm at my whits end and don't know what to do. my question is should I drive to his work and see what is in his locker he has been on this job for 30 years so god only knows what I will find. Or do I sit him down and try to talk with him without accusing him but get it a crossed to him that I want more I want my husband back the man that I married. I want him to stop giving himself to some fantasy on a page or a computer screen. I can tell he is still masturbating to porn while laying over on the job. I'm tired of the leftovers and there isn't even much of that. I don't think he realizes the damage he is doing to himself or to me. Boy it really sucks to wake up one day to find that most of your marriage was an illusion. Please I need help and advice I would love to hear from Truthseeker and DevastatedWife and from all men and women dealing with this. I'm sorry for the long post but in order to get some advice I felt you needed some back ground thank you for listening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 0:40:26 GMT -7
SW,
Welcome! I'm glad you found us, though obviously it's a pity you need to be here.
I have little to say directly to your situation. I'm the addict, not the partner, so I haven't been where you are. Still, I wanted to make sure you were welcomed by someone as quickly as possible.
One quick thought on searching his locker: Is it worth it? You know qualitatively what you're going to find. Will it help you to see it really all laid out in front of you? Perhaps the answer is yes: it might give you the strength do conclude that it's really time to leave. It's going to be pretty hard, though, especially if you're working on continuing the marriage. It will stay with you.
That's not to say that it may not be important to know the truth, something you have an absolute right to know. But do think about what you really want to know for your own well-being. Catching him out and rubbing his face in it isn't worth it if it causes you more continuing anguish. In the end, detachment from his addiction - whether you stay together or not - may be part of the way to peace.
Would it be worthwhile to work through this question and others with a counselor locally? You're obviously comfortable doing that for your hurting child; could you do it for your hurting self?
Again, welcome. Sorry the board is so quiet. I hope you get better informed replies from folks like truthseeker and DW, who have been in it as partners.
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 4:05:06 GMT -7
Hi Tim,
Thank you for responding any and all input is welcome. Let me just say that I have not went and checked his locker before because I don't know if what I find I can handle it. My husband has told me before of some of his fellow employees who are married have girlfriends whom they have secret children with. I don't think I could handle that. My husband has had 30 years to do what ever he wanted while laying over. I don't know if its only porn and masturbating. It could be a whole lot more. Its not about rubbing his face in it, its about wanting the truth. How can I move forward while feeling like I don't really have a clue as to how bad things really could be. In the past I have confronted him and he just lies so asking him will not help. Tim if I may ask how did you pull yourself up and out of this dark hole what did it take for you to get here? Any suggestions on how to detach from his addiction while living with him? Thanks Tim I appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 19:29:42 GMT -7
Hi Shatterred Wife,
I know how you feel, unfortunately. I always knew my.husband was looking at.other women. Our marriage.started off.very sick.because i remember worrying on.the honeymoon, that he was looking at other women in the restaurant.
It went on with him being secretly addicted to porn lust and masturbation and me being equally sick as the codependent partner.
He lusted after all my friends neighbors and coworkers.
And i would make every effort to control his lusting.
I screamed cried and threatened him for 20 years.
Strangely i only was able to put two and two together last fall. I caught him on porn sites and found emails to eomen at work. And i finally researched this and realized he is a sex addict.
Everything finally made sense!
We still.live togethr but i have decided to divorce him. He does acknowledge his problem but he tells me he doesnt want to get better for me he tells me he is done being married.
Recently what has heloed me is to remembeer that he has an addiction an illness and i cant fix it only God can.
Please know its not your fault and you do have options.
need2bfree
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 10:29:12 GMT -7
Am ok, I'm new but I wanted to ask a questions. It's not to insinuate anything.
Has anything good apart from your children come from your relationship? The reason I asked is because I have discovered something that people always said but I never understood. I have respect for me! I am an important person! I have learned what an intimate and proper sex life is and what it involves and I have grown from this. I only realised this because of all the hurt I've gone through but it gives me direction to be a better me and to take care of me and not to let others be masters of how I see myself.
Do you feel good about yourself or are you feeling like you are worthless because of his actions! Do you think you have tried your best to help your relationship work. Of course you have! You need to decide what is the best thing to do for you now. I don't know what that is and if you do it maybe a hard road but you may be a happier healthier person if you go that way.
Ok, if that sounded a bit giberishy I'm sorry about that...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 5:27:59 GMT -7
Sorry for taking so long to reply.
On my own story:
For me, the central initial tool is surrender - stopping fighting, stopping hiding, stopping trying to do it alone, putting everything on the line, getting help, and following that help. As a counselor I've worked with once said, things start to change when you become willing to follow somebody; it doesn't much matter who that is.
Vital tools for me have included 12-step fellowships (both on-line and locally), getting a sponsor, working the Steps, working with a counselor, getting honest with the central people in my life, talking to other addicts, reading and journaling and prayer and meditation. The goal, after all, isn't to give up a single bad habit, but to accept that the all-encompassing need to hide from others and from myself in my addictive behavior is a part of a life that is seriously disordered, and that I need to become a new person, to find a new way to live. As the folks in NA say, we only need to change one thing - everything.
Part of what gave me strength to dare to seek help and to dare to get open with my wife was the depth of my despair. In the spring of 2005, I was in my early 50's, older, for the first time, than my father had been at the time of his death. My oldest son was about to leave home for college more than 2000 miles from here. He was leaving home, I knew, never having seen me well, never having had the father I had wanted to be. I had been actively fighting my addiction for 30 years, and had made no progress. I didn't have another 30 years left to fight. Each year, I was farther from my wife, farther from my kids, farther from my God, farther from myself. More and more, I was thinking of suicide.
In a way, that despair was what made it possible to seek help. The embarrassment of speaking to others about my problem had always felt like it was more than I could bear, but the vision of suicide really took that away. If I'm about to take my own life, then what do I have left to lose? Why not reach out for help? If I reach out for help and the result is indeed fatally humiliating, well, I can always kill myself then.
This part is hard to engineer on demand, but another important piece of the package for me was nearly dying of a heart attack when I was several months into recovery. That wasn't something I was expecting. I'm a cyclist and jogger, not overweight, largely vegetarian, without a family history of coronary artery disease, and at the time I was in my early 50s. In another way, though, it was something I was expecting. My addiction has been accompanied with enormous stress - hiding, feeling bad about myself, catching up on the work I haven't done because I was acting out instead, being angry and alone. I've spent most of my life filling my metaphorical heart with crud. Am I surprised to discover that my physical heart is also filled with crud? Not particularly.
For me, the heart attack was a really important marker of my growing recovery in several ways. It was a clear marker of where my past way of life had led me. The fact that I survived with minimal lasting damage was a dramatic offer of a new life to live differently. My old life had led to death and was over; now I could start anew.
There was more, though. Especially in the last years of my active addiction, I had grown more and more fearful of and angry at God. Convicted by the judgment I perceived from Him, I feared death. At the same time, I thought of suicide. I had little to live for, and death seemed like the only escape from the hell of my unescapable addiction.
Had I had the heart attack a year before I did, I might just have chosen to give up and die.
But when the actual heart attack happened, I was on a new path. I was at peace with my wife. I was at peace with God. I was being open and honest with the people around me. I was facing fears that I had hidden from so deeply that I didn't know they were there, and I was finding a joyful way through them. I was working with other people. I had friends who really knew everything about me. I had been granted months of sobriety. I knew I was loved by others and by God. So as I lay in the ER not knowing how this was going to end, there was tremendous peace. I had something to live for, and I hoped I would live. But I was also absolutely certain that if I did not live, still, God was there. I would be all right. That was a tremendously powerful experience, one that by itself kept me moving forward and sober for the couple of years that followed.
I don't want to be over dramatic about the medical issues. Addicts,and perhaps their partners, often live in a world of seeking the one magic decisive moment that will make everything new and better. I'm not much of a believer in those moments. Accepting and building a new life is a hard and scary process. I took the better part of 50 years learning how to be an addict. I'm not going to learn how not to be one in the course of a morning. It's a long process of unfolding. Unless I had already put in months of hard work and sharing and prayer at the time of my sudden illness, that morning would have passed without meaning and without changing me. It was a huge gift, but a huge gift because of every other gift that was already happening in my life.
That's a quick history. There's more, of course, to the story of a life.
If it matters, it was always clear to me that my use of porn was something wrong, something illicit, something I wanted to overcome, something I did not know how to overcome. I think that's true of many addicts, even if some of us hide that sense of failure and inadequacy from ourselves as well as from others in blustering displays of entitlement. If there are addicts who don't share that deep sense of failure, then my experience probably offers nothing to those people. Equally, I have nothing to offer an addict who is not yet ready to feel and admit his own pain. If that's where your husband is, I have nothing to say to him. But for somebody who knows he's hurting and is desperate to live a new life, I can certainly say that there is enormous hope out there. Once one gives up completely, a lot of doors open.
Suggestions on how to detach:
No. That's not something I know about. You'll have to hear that from others partners, not from me.
Peace,
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 4:10:33 GMT -7
Thanks for Sharing Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 9:30:28 GMT -7
Hi Need2bfree,
Thanks for responding. My husband never went after any of my friends or my family. I do know he does lust after other women I see it when we are camping and at the beach. From what I know so far is that it has been porn and masturbating. I hope that is the worst of hit but one never knows. I do know that it is not my fault but that doesn't help the pain much.
shatteredwife
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 9:47:38 GMT -7
Hi Hopefull,
Your question, Has anything good come from my marriage other than my children. Yes, we have had good years, good times, but the last few years have been tough. Your question, Do I feel good about myself. No I don't feel real good about myself. But I don't feel worthless either. I don't think I have done all I can to make my relationship better. I have been very angry and hurt. I should have insisted years ago that we go therapy. thanks shatteredwife
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 10:01:31 GMT -7
Tim,
WOW, thanks for responding and being so honest with me. I certainly hope and pray that my husband is not feeling like committing suicide. I want him to hit bottom but not that way. I do know he is feeling a sense of failure and inadequacy. But I guess the questions is what if anything he will do about it. Thanks again I appreciate it. I will pray that he will wake up and follow in your footsteps. I think you are a very brave man. Your wife is a lucky woman.
shatteredwife
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