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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2012 18:01:49 GMT -7
It's hard to know where to begin. My husband has had porn issues since he was 11, I think. Anywat, I met him when I was 35. I married him at 37, and he was 42. His desire for me was raneous for about 5 months. Then when we were about a month away from the wedding, he just seemed tolose all desire for me. He just said that he wanted to wait for marriage, but I could tell it was more than that.
I talked with him, and stated very clearly that once we got married, I needed his sexual desire for me. He assured me of this, and a month later we got married. So, On the honeymoon, he is unable to perform. He tells me in an almost bragging way, that in the oast he would have fantasized about another woman in order to perform with me.
Not exactly words I wanted to hear on my honeymoon. I was devastated.
Well, a week later he called me from work, and yelled at me for not keeping him away from porn. I didn't know what he meant, and I was mad. I found setting captives free, and each of us did the course and even became mentors. What a joke I think now, of us being mentors.
Okay so he felt a level of freedom from porn, but his desire for me was almost nonexistent,
Now, after 2 years of my being compassionate and just stuffing my hurt and oain, I saw no realy imorovement, He had no desire for me, and seemed to do it just for me, when he did. Lot's of stuff happened, and years went by, but sex eas once or twice a week, always with the lights off, and never about his desire. The message I got loud and clear was...." I have a healthy vibrant sex drive, but no sex drive for you."
This continued until last July. That was the last time we had sex, I asked him recently about it, and he said that he couldn't deal with the pressure anymore. He fears not being able to sustain an eretion, and he fears not keeping his thoughts pure. in other words, I don't desire you, but I do desire some 20 year oks that I saw the other day, so I will picture them having sex with me, or I can'r have sex, So I am trying to process this. I knew it anyway, even though he would say he had a lack of libido, but actually, he had a healthy libido, as long as he was stimulated by young girld.
I love him very much, and I thought my heart was already brokenin so many pieces that it was untouchable now, but I was weing. I am devastated, and I don't know what to do about it. I am kind of numb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 2:45:00 GMT -7
Hisheart; Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 6:18:01 GMT -7
Dear HisHeart,
They, through their porn/masturbation addiction, have trained themselves to respond to the fantasy. Real women are just bad porn to them. And heaven forbid if you have real needs or desires of your own. This is part and parcel of the addiction, it is not, REPEAT NOT, you. YOU are NOT in any way part of the problem. YOU ARE NOT IN ANY WAY to blame. You are a victim of his addiction.
Run. Never look back. Find a decent man or live out the rest of your days alone. Living with a sex addict will bring you nothing but heartache and pain. Remember, addiction is a progressive disease. Chances are you've only seen the tip of the iceberg. Run. Be done with him.
My best to you, DW
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 8:35:29 GMT -7
Hi Hisheart,
Is he not willing, or is it not possible for him to get the counseling he needs to move beyond white-knuckled attempts to keep his mind pure, in to a healthy sexual relationship as God intended for marriage?
TruthSeeker
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 11:46:40 GMT -7
Dear HisHeart, They, through their porn/masturbation addiction, have trained themselves to respond to the fantasy. Real women are just bad porn to them. And heaven forbid if you have real needs or desires of your own. This is part and parcel of the addiction, it is not, REPEAT NOT, you. YOU are NOT in any way part of the problem. YOU ARE NOT IN ANY WAY to blame. You are a victim of his addiction. Run. Never look back. Find a decent man or live out the rest of your days alone. Living with a sex addict will bring you nothing but heartache and pain. Remember, addiction is a progressive disease. Chances are you've only seen the tip of the iceberg. Run. Be done with him. My best to you, DW Devastated Wife: Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 19:54:22 GMT -7
Well the counseling thing is another long story. That is actually what I am really praying for right now. There is a counselor that I think would be really good for him.He's 100.00 dollars an hour, but our insurance covers all but 25 dollars of it.
He has for the last 6 years been going to a,"deliverance minister," who has been very bad for him, in that he just tickles his ears and basically tells him that it's not his fault, it's the devil. Funny though that in all this time, he hasn't been able to deliver him?
There are actually other issues, perhaps even more pressing. One time a few month ago, when my husband didn't know that I could check our usage log, I was scanning it ,(I was looking for patterns, (to see if I could look for triggers or cues, basically for bracing myself.) I found a search that he had googled that said,"How can I commit suicide, by making it look like an accident."
As you can imagine, this alarmed me more than anything. So maybe in some weird way, his dm, kept him from suicide by tickling his ears?
Well, recently, his dm has lost his house,(They had a home church) and is living with relatives, so my husband isn't going over there. I think he communicates on the computer a lot though.
I would ask for prayer, that my husband would be willing to see the right counselor, one that will truly be able to equip him with tools, and not blow smoke up his behind.
I am also thinking that I need to start reading some books that deal with abandonment and grief.
That is what I think I am really going through. I really can't take not being desired, It really is too much for me to bear. I know that through Christ, I can do all things, but I really can't stand it.
It's impossible to think that he has no desire for me, and all kinds of desire for every other woman he sees.
Anyway, do you have any good book titles that help with abandonment or grief?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 23:11:40 GMT -7
Hi Hisheart,
I don't know of specific books, but you can research books with at least some perspective of faith on www.christian book.com Even if you look for them used on Amazon or Ebay, they have pretty good descriptions and reviews. If you find something really helpful, please return and list it in the "Resources" forum.
I hope you will pardon me being a bit cynical, but I guess the devil made the deliverance minister lose his home? And yes, I realize it could have been job loss outside of his control.
Praying for you both... TruthSeeker
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 6:15:14 GMT -7
Truthseeker, I tend to think so too. He was jobless for far longer than the economy could be blamed. He just thought he could get by doing,"the Lord's work," so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 5:09:07 GMT -7
Hisheart,
As I have read your post over and over again, I begin to weep and go back to where to my own problems and struggles. How I treated my wife and kids because of this choice that I made so long ago. And I call it a choice because that's what it is. We chose to keep looking at pornography, to live in a fantasy world and let it affect our everyday live and the people that we are suppose to love. I too starting looking at porn at about age 11 and went through sort of what your husband is going through. I have no problems with performing with my wife but the porn would always pop back in my head after we were done. And I made the choice to wait for her to go to sleep and look at it.
Porn is a made up fantasy world were the user doesn't feel persucuted or outcast. The person feels wanted no matter what they have done and we believed that it filled a void in our life that our spouses can not. That is all a lie. It is nothing but feeding our mind pictures and vidoes of Gods childrens, mother, daughters, sisters brothers in acts that were intended for married people and to honor Gods love for us. Just like DW said, this is not your fault.
It has taken me almost 25 years to realize that choice that I made has been the the ruler of my life and almost destroy everything that God had blessed me with. My wife was on the verge of divorcing me and I was going to lose everything. But I wanted to change and it led up to one thing. The one thing that started this whole addiction in the first place. A choice. I chosed to give my life back to God, to get rid of all my pornography any where, stop lusting with my eyes, stop feeding my flesh and stop self gratifying myself. In the begining it was hard, but I kept making that choice to continue on. My life was at stake here for I didn't want to go to Hell. My family was on the line here for I didn't want to lose my wife or have my kids grow up with an father addicted to porn and choosed it over them. I made a choice to change and haven't looked back sinces.
I'm saying this because there is hope but it is a choice that your husband has to make his self. No matter how many times my wife caught me and I said I was going to change, I said it to get her off my back. Addicts are pathogical liers, that has come with years of practice to hid our addiction. But I can assure you that when I made my commitment to God and gave everything to him, I haven't wanted to go back. The choice is your husbands, not yours. You need to take care of yourself and get to where you need to be. Let God work on him. That's what had to happen to me.
I am sorry for the way he has treated you in the past. I'm sorry for the millions of men out there that are addicts because of a choice they made and continue to make that is hurting their love one’s life. We don't see the damage until the fog has lifted and we have been delivered or it is to late. I will pray for you that God will heal you spiritually, physically, and emotionally. And I will pray for your husband to see through the fog that has blinded him for so long and come to know Christ, to ask for his forgiveness and have him work in his life.
Remember it's all about choices. What we chose to do now, will affect us later down the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 1:37:46 GMT -7
Hisheart, As I have read your post over and over again, I begin to weep and go back to where to my own problems and struggles. How I treated my wife and kids because of this choice that I made so long ago. And I call it a choice because that's what it is. We chose to keep looking at pornography, to live in a fantasy world and let it affect our everyday live and the people that we are suppose to love. I too starting looking at porn at about age 11 and went through sort of what your husband is going through. I have no problems with performing with my wife but the porn would always pop back in my head after we were done. And I made the choice to wait for her to go to sleep and look at it. Porn is a made up fantasy world were the user doesn't feel persucuted or outcast. The person feels wanted no matter what they have done and we believed that it filled a void in our life that our spouses can not. That is all a lie. It is nothing but feeding our mind pictures and vidoes of Gods childrens, mother, daughters, sisters brothers in acts that were intended for married people and to honor Gods love for us. Just like DW said, this is not your fault. It has taken me almost 25 years to realize that choice that I made has been the the ruler of my life and almost destroy everything that God had blessed me with. My wife was on the verge of divorcing me and I was going to lose everything. But I wanted to change and it led up to one thing. The one thing that started this whole addiction in the first place. A choice. I chosed to give my life back to God, to get rid of all my pornography any where, stop lusting with my eyes, stop feeding my flesh and stop self gratifying myself. In the begining it was hard, but I kept making that choice to continue on. My life was at stake here for I didn't want to go to Hell. My family was on the line here for I didn't want to lose my wife or have my kids grow up with an father addicted to porn and choosed it over them. I made a choice to change and haven't looked back sinces. I'm saying this because there is hope but it is a choice that your husband has to make his self. No matter how many times my wife caught me and I said I was going to change, I said it to get her off my back. Addicts are pathogical liers, that has come with years of practice to hid our addiction. But I can assure you that when I made my commitment to God and gave everything to him, I haven't wanted to go back. The choice is your husbands, not yours. You need to take care of yourself and get to where you need to be. Let God work on him. That's what had to happen to me. I am sorry for the way he has treated you in the past. I'm sorry for the millions of men out there that are addicts because of a choice they made and continue to make that is hurting their love one’s life. We don't see the damage until the fog has lifted and we have been delivered or it is to late. I will pray for you that God will heal you spiritually, physically, and emotionally. And I will pray for your husband to see through the fog that has blinded him for so long and come to know Christ, to ask for his forgiveness and have him work in his life. Remember it's all about choices. What we chose to do now, will affect us later down the road. Tired Hi Tired, I am sorry, but it seems to me you are too instructive. You need to help others by serving them, not by showing others yourself, how far you have come and so on. I am sorry. I don't know how to express myself in the best way, but I feel a lot of self-focusing, pride and trying hard on your own in your posts. I can't see very much of the grace. (I guess I don't believe in it myself very much. There might be much more grace for me if I would believe.) What you share is not very inspiring or helpful for me, I think. I am sorry. I don't manage to express myself in a better way. I guess there are better waysto express myself, but I might not find them, but I can ask you a question: How do you want to be helped? I can tell you how I want to be helped: People talking to me, taking me seriously, asking me questions that might lead me to freedom, challenging me, keeping me accountable, but I think I don't want anyone to fix me, to go into me and change me. The best might be for me to let me take responsibilty for my own actions. That might be respect? I guess I need to be changed, but I think other people can't change me and I can't change other people? (Rhetorical question maybe) Please be respectful if you want to answer. Best regards
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 8:25:07 GMT -7
One of the ways the 12-step fellowships operate is that when speaking, we share our own experience, strength and hope. We do not give advice. I'm in no position to say what might work for someone else, or what another person can or should do. What I can talk about is my own feelings, my own success or failure, perhaps what I have done in a situation similar to that in which another member finds himself.
When I do this, everyone else in the room needs to honor my words as describing how things have worked for me, or at least, how I currently think they have worked. Each member can then decide whether or not my experience is helpful to them, and can try to follow my path or can let it go by as my truth but not theirs.
I really like this system. It compels me to be as deep and honest about myself as I can be, and it keeps me out of the drama of trying to run somebody else's life. And it keeps us friends. I'm fine with you saying things that wouldn't work for me as long as it's clear that you are talking about you, and not me.
I think Tired is doing all that pretty well in this post, and I want to commend him for it. I don't know if that's just your natural way of talking, or if it's something you learned from the chaplain, but I appreciate it.
If what Tired says isn't inspiring or helpful to some particular user, that's fine. Tired's job ought to be to tell his story and to let others take from it whatever may help them, or to leave it all behind, as suits them best. I'd be very surprised if Tired's goal in this thread, which is devoted to marriage and family, was to help anyone who has not had much to say in the thread and who had not been married.
Man, I really appreciate the supportive voice you're adding to many of the threads here. I also want to be very respectful of the importance in your life right now of standing up for yourself and not giving others power over your life. But right now in that effort, you are sometimes coming across as fixing other people and ordering them about because they aren't writing quite the way you think they should. I wonder what would happen if everybody stopped trying to fix everybody and we just shared our own stories in our own way and let others do likewise?
My apologies to all for violating my own principles in the cause of peace.
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 20:18:25 GMT -7
If what Tired says isn't inspiring or helpful to some particular user, that's fine. Tired's job ought to be to tell his story and to let others take from it whatever may help them, or to leave it all behind, as suits them best. I'd be very surprised if Tired's goal in this thread, which is devoted to marriage and family, was to help anyone who has not had much to say in the thread and who had not been married. Man, I really appreciate the supportive voice you're adding to many of the threads here. I also want to be very respectful of the importance in your life right now of standing up for yourself and not giving others power over your life. But right now in that effort, you are sometimes coming across as fixing other people and ordering them about because they aren't writing quite the way you think they should. I wonder what would happen if everybody stopped trying to fix everybody and we just shared our own stories in our own way and let others do likewise? Tim M. Tim; You might be right about that. I appreciate that you are direct with me. My problem is that when I feel that someone is boosting/ bragging, I get a feeling of irritation inside me, and I don't know how to deal with that feeling, and then my mind might think that it is good to attack or confront the person and make some drama although that might not be a very good solution. It might also be to get some attention drawn to me if I think I am not enough seen/ I don't get much attention maybe.. I don't know. I don't know of any better solution although there might exist. Sorry!
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