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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 19:16:03 GMT -7
Hi,
I'm new to this forum. This is probably another boring story but I'll go on.. I need help and advice from whoever has any experience with this. I'm in my mid 20s and have been struggling with porn addiction for so long. I started with watching porn when I was 11 years old, and then fell into various kinds of pornography. Right now I'm addicted to cybersex through webcam and phonesex. I had some false messenger IDs and chatting with random girl and had cybersex with them via webcam. It's so disgusting and I'm so ashamed of myself. However, I never showed my face, so right now the only ones that know about me doing this is God and myself. Beside that, I fell into watching porn countless times, doing masturbation, etc. I could go to the details, but it would be too many things to write at the same time.
I'm a Christian, go to church routinely, and probably like most addicts, know that this is absolutely wrong and want to change. Right now I have been clean for a couple of days, but I'm so afraid I'm going to fall again, like I did so many times before. Please pray for me. I hate living a double live and being a hypocrite like this.
Now...I have fallen in love with this amazing Christian girl that I've known for 3 years. She has a very strong faith, amazing unique personality, and I just can 't help but love her more and more, even though I'm pretty sure she doesn't feel the same. We're pretty close as a friend, and I really want to advance my relationship with her, but I can't because of my addiction. I feel that she deserve someone better than a sex addict like me. I want to be free from this addiction before I move on to a love relationship and I just can't tell her that I love her if I'm still in this struggle. I want to confess to her everything, including my addiction, but I don't want to put the burden of carrying my dark secret on her.
I'm hoping somebody could give me any advice on this. Is it okay to have a serious love relationship while this addiction still haunting me? Is it wise to tell her everything?
Please pray for my addiction. I know what I need to do... it's just so hard to do it. I've been planning to tell my pastor about this, but the shame is too huge to handle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 6:02:17 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 9:04:53 GMT -7
Endzone, thanks for the reply!!
I think my problem is not relating to woman. I can be very close to a girl but I can't go to the next level, because I don't think it's fair for a good Christian girl to be in a relationship with a sex addict like me. What I'm trying to do is get rid of this addiction before moving to a more serious relationship. I don't know if it's the right way or not. Sure, no one is perfect and everyone have their own flaws, but I think sex addiction is directly related to relationship.
I don't fall in love easily, and I didn't plan it when I fell for this girl. She said a couple of time without me asking that I'm not the one for her, but I can't get rid of my feeling for her even if I try.
I guess you're right. I should focus on overcoming this addiction, and growing in Christ rather than anything else. It is so hard to put Christ as my main focus in life... but I'm aspiring to do so. It's a work in progress. A tough one.
About your story, of course I would love to hear it.
PS: CN tower is overrated lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 11:22:38 GMT -7
SS,
Welcome!
You ask a bunch of questions and make a bunch of comments. May I reply in a somewhat stream-of-conseciousness manner to some of them?
You ask about the possible love interest and the addiction. Mostly what I can comment on there from my experience and from that of my friends is what not to do:
- Don't assume that you'll get over your addictive behavior because you meet the girlfriend, develop a sexual relationship, get married, have kids, whatever. I did all those things and stayed addicted, as did every married addict I know. There are all kinds of reasons to delude oneself into believing that true love is a cure for addiction. We've all believed it. It just isn't true. Go to an SAA meeting and confess to having once thought that, and a whole room full of people will smile knowingly, nod, and chuckle. Trust me on this. It's really important.
- Don't operate under the delusion that you'll solve this addiction problem on your own in a few weeks or months and will never have to confess it to your SO. Many of us have thought that, too, and it's also crazy. I grew up with an addictive approach to the world, and spent many years as an active addict. Learning a new way of life isn't going to be the work of a day or a month or a year. My addiction and the whole supporting structure of fear and isolation and shame form the central moral and emotional and spiritual struggle of my life. In many ways, that struggle defines who I am. For me to hide that from a partner is to close off the possibility of intimacy, of deeply knowing one another, from the very start. It is to smother the development of closeness and trust before it can take its first breath. It is to doom a serious relationship before it is born.
It's also what I did. Don't go there.
On a more practical level, hiding an addiction from a potential spouse is also an act of profound disrespect, depriving her of her fundamental rights as a human being. Addiction, after all, is defined as a chronic, relapsing disease. It's something that some/many/all of us will be dealing with for our entire lives. Many addicts find successful lives in long-term recovery, but many more do not. Anyone developing a serious relationship with an addict has an absolute right to know what they're getting into and to decide for themselves if they are prepared to accept that life-long burden. You wouldn't marry someone without mentioning that you had MS or a diseased heart, right? For the same reasons, it's critical that we respect our partners as human beings and be clear to them about our addictions.
None of that is to say that I think a sex addict in long-term recovery needs to say to every person he meets, "Would you like to have lunch sometime? I'm a sex addict." It is to say that before the relationship gets serious, we need to be honest.
Finally, you say that you know what you need to do. Do you? Can you spell that out?
See, here's my take on that: Porn/Sex addiction is a real addiction. I know lots of people with multiple addictions - sex and alcohol, sex and drugs, whatever. I don't know anyone who has found it easier to recover from sex addiction than from alcoholism. I think I know one person who had more trouble with cocaine than with sex.
If that's so, and if we want to find recovery from sex addiction, then we better take it just as seriously as if we were drug addicts. If a friend who was addicted to alcohol or to crack came to me and said, "I know what I need to do... it's just so hard to do it. I've been planning to tell my pastor about this, but the shame is too huge to handle," I'd probably suggest rather bluntly that while talking to his pastor about his addiction was an important part of his walk with Christ, it was still only the first of many more steps. I know I spent 15 years as an active addict after confessing my behavior to my priest and beginning to try to work with him on doing better.
The people I've known who found real long-term recovery from addictions have made recovery the centerpiece of their lives. They've done things like going to 12-step meetings, getting sponsors, working the Steps, working seriously and honestly with professional counselors, getting honest with the people around them, calling other addicts, learning about addiction and recovery, praying, meditating, journaling, stuff like that. Jump-starting recovery by spending some time in rehab programs can also be useful, though that's not something I've done myself.
Is that what you have in mind when you say you know what you need to do? Because I think that's what we do need to do, just as I think it's what addicts with other drugs of choice need to do. That's a scary package at first, but if each day I take the next step, pretty soon I can be doing all of it.
Finally, I'd like to reflect briefly on your mention in your last sentence of the huge shame. Shame is a huge part of the addictive cycle. We act out to medicate and run from our feelings; that acting out brings us shame; so we act out again to hide from facing the shame; and there we are, stuck. Part of recovery is therefore learning to let go of the shame so that we can see ourselves both honestly and gently. It's not an accident that the sobriety tokens that SAA gives out say, "From shame to grace." Part of giving up the shame happens as we do what at first seems impossible - showing ourselves to others as we really are, and discovering that even those who know us can love us. Making that discovery is one part of why working with other addicts, with a counselor, with a pastor, etc. is so important. Allowing honesty and intimacy to thrive is why it's also critical eventually to become honest with the central people in our lives - spouses, friends, parents, siblings, children, whoever our core companions are.
OK, that's enough for now. By taking a somewhat hard line on addiction and recovery, I hope I don't scare you off. There is enormous hope. People find freedom from all sorts of addictions. Our problem isn't just that we have a bad habit. It's that in our shame, we have isolated ourselves from others, from God, and from ourselves. Recovery isn't just staying the same people but becoming sober. It's fixing all those broken relationships so that we no longer need to flee into our addictive behavior. It's becoming new people of joy and peace and serenity. It's stopping hiding. It's seriously wonderful. Ordinary people like you and me can walk that path, and millions have. We can't do it alone, though, and we can't do it unless we're really all in.
May you find the courage and the skill to find the new life you seek.
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 18:00:25 GMT -7
[user=90210]struggling_sinner[/user] wrote:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2011 16:26:50 GMT -7
TM2, thanks for your bluntness. I need it. It looks like a very long and hard way, and I'm so scared that I'm going to fall and fall again along the way. May God give me strength to carry on...
I want to find a local SAA. What do you think about these two?:
www.scatoronto.org/Home_Page.html
www.saatoronto.org/index.shtml
Endzone... thanks for the story and your support!!
SS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 2:46:08 GMT -7
SS,
I've been to Toronto (Great city!), but I don't have direct experience with S-fellowship meetings there.
One of the traditions of the 12-step fellowships is that every meeting is autonomous. So saying that you're looking for a meeting, should you go with SCA or SAA is a little like saying you're looking for a church, should you go with the Congregationalists or the Baptists? It's hard to know except by going to the individual meetings. (I'm not a Protestant, so maybe those aren't the right denominations; slot in the ones that are.)
The 4 main 12-step S-fellowships, Sex Addicts Anonymous, Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous, Sexual Compulsives Anonymous, and Sexaholics Anonymous, are broadly similar. They were all founded in the 1970s by different groups of people in different places. I rather wish they had merged, which would make it simpler for newcomers, but they haven't. I attend both SAA and SLAA meetings face-to-face, and I've attended on-line SAA, SLAA, and SCA meetings. I can't really tell the difference among them.
Historically, SLAA, with the added focus of love addiction, as had more female members than the other fellowships. SCA was founded by a group of largely gay men, and may have more gay members than the other fellowships. That said, I as a straight man have certainly felt welcomed in SCA, and my SAA and SLAA meetings have gay as well as straight members.
SA tends to be more overtly Christian than the other fellowships, though I think maybe everybody but 1 person in my current SLAA meetings is Christian. They also are the one fellowship that has a common definition of sobriety for all members instead of inviting members to work with a sponsor and determine their own bottom line behaviors. In my area, I'm of 2 minds about the SA meetings. They have the reputation of being real fanatics about recovery, which is a good thing. They also do some things that are real deviations from 12-step traditions, like forbidding members to attend meetings if they have acted out in the previous week, the very time when it's most critical for people to reconnect with other recovering addicts. All that's hearsay, though, and may be wrong, and only involves meetings in one US city.
Bottom line: I'd look at location and schedule and visit some meetings, and find one or more that work for you. The best choice may not be the meeting where you're most comfortable. Recovery isn't a comfortable process. I'd look for meetings where there's a lot of long-term, deep recovery, and where you can find people you can trust enough to follow through a process that is scary and that requires you to do things you don't want to do, but that can bring enormous blessings.
Wonderful work looking up meetings and starting to move forward! You're taking big steps. And see? You're still alive!
Great work!
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 16:59:02 GMT -7
I fell again... deeper this time, and once again I want to stop this. I hate this. It's very embarrassing and I feel that I'm toying around God's grace and mercy. I know He's mad and sad to me right now...
SS
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 20:18:43 GMT -7
Slips are part of the process for nearly all addicts. Good job coming here and talking about it!
What's important is making good use of slips. Getting honest is part of that, but there are other parts. Slips are a chance to look at ourselves and plan better for next time, asking questions like when we can first see the slip coming, what we were feeling then, what we were feeling before then when the slip was really being born, and what we will do the next time we feel that way in order to get a different result. They are also a chance to look at what we are doing for recovery and whether it's enough. Is there a next step in our recovery that we're avoiding because it's still too scary? Is it time to take that step? Are we working effectively enough with other people - getting to enough meetings, working the steps, paying attention to what's happening with our counselors and sponsors? That sort of thing.
Anything you feel like sharing about any of that? What are you doing so far for recovery other than posting here every few weeks and trying to be strong, which is obviously not enough? Are you making it to the S-fellowship meetings you wrote about? How's that going? Is there more you can think of you need to do? What's the next step?
Finally, how sure are you about God's anger? I know I spent a lot of years feeling judged by an angry God, when in fact I was being judged by an angry Tim. Your God may be different from mine, but I'm pretty clear that all the hatred and wrath and diatance I was feelings were projections of my feelings about myself, and that the God who John says is love knows His job better than I do.
Peace,
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 0:42:27 GMT -7
Struggling Sinner. Thanks for confessing your latest. You have the desire to stop which is a start.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 15:09:14 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing SS. I just have 2 months of sobriety in SA. Our group does not forbid you to go to the meetings if you act out. It is HIGHLY reccomended that you go if you act out. Also, I quit drinking 25 years ago, and also quit cocaine. This is much is so much more difficult for me, especially with the invention of the internet. I am having to really face the true demons in my life, because of the constant attacks and encouragement from the media to engage in sexual sin.
Just keep wanting it, a turn your life aver to God. It may not be just one day at a time, it sometimes is just one minute at a time that you have to get through. You can do it. I am encouraged by your courage!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 11:49:50 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing SS. I just have 2 months of sobriety in SA. Our group does not forbid you to go to the meetings if you act out. It is HIGHLY reccomended that you go if you act out. Also, I quit drinking 25 years ago, and also quit cocaine. This is much is so much more difficult for me, especially with the invention of the internet. I am having to really face the true demons in my life, because of the constant attacks and encouragement from the media to engage in sexual sin. Just keep wanting it, a turn your life aver to God. It may not be just one day at a time, it sometimes is just one minute at a time that you have to get through. You can do it. I am encouraged by your courage! Thanks for sharing
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