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Post by mike on May 16, 2011 11:45:01 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 16:01:34 GMT -7
Mike, Thank you! I particularly liked the article on dealing with a slip. Slips happen to a lot of addicts, and I think that dealing wisely with a slip is one of the most powerful things we can do in recovery. A slip is an opportunity not to be treated lightly. In this vein, people might be interested in an article in Psychology Today that I bumped into in a counselor's waiting room last week, www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201007/the-new-quitter . It has the tag line, "Falling off the wagon—whether by bakery binge or drug bender—doesn't mean total defeat. In fact, relapse is the best teacher on the road to recovery." Of course that's not a reason to get complacent about slips, but handling a slip properly can really be a huge tool in recovery and a testimony to the quality of our work there. Just how it seems to me, of course. Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 1:22:20 GMT -7
Thanks very much, Mike, for posting these threads. I will go through them.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 7:33:25 GMT -7
Thank you for posting the articles, Mike. I appreciate this advice to the men:
"Contentedness. In the context of choking off lust, this means saying “I will be content with the wife God has given me.†We refuse to compare our wives with other women, or allow our greedy flesh to roll in the muddy lie that “the grass is greener on the other side.†It’s not, it won’t satisfy, and jumping over will swing a wrecking ball into the lives of those we love. By learning to be content with the gift of the spouse God has given us, we are not only choosing humility but nipping lust in the bud.
One way to give contentedness wings in your soul is to praise and thank God for your wife, every day. Ask Him to help you want the woman He’s given you. Pray for your wife often, and ask God to bless her with His love and presence. If your relationship has dried up, start doing the things you used to do when you courted her; pursue your wife all over again and make her a priority, second only to the Lord.
Contentedness is a choice that must be made in every part of life—family, finances, ministry, and career. It’s “Lord, thank You for what You’ve given me today†instead of “I want, I need, I crave, I must have.†If circumstances are difficult, contentedness chooses to accept and see them through God’s eyes rather than rebel in anger, or retreat in depression, despair, fantasy, or some other broken escape mechanism. While this is no easy task, it’s what Paul meant when he wrote:
Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:12-13
The humility of contentedness trusts that God is in every circumstance, will work it out for good
(Romans 8:28), and will provide our needs (Philippians 4:19). It replaces emptiness and self– seeking with peace and a heart of gratefulness for the persons and situations our sovereign Lord has given us."
I think this advice attacks the addictive cycle directly and is appropriate for the "men." Do you have any corresponding advice for the wives? I've tried to turn this around, but I can't. After what I've been through.......I don't trust "God" anymore.......I don't even think "He" exists. I rather think it's all an involved fairytale. I'm not thankful for the "husband" I've been "given" (some gift) and I'm really hoping that he rots in hell....if there is such a place. There is no one who is going to save me from the <adjective deleted> I married other than me. I've bought a franchise and I'm moving forward. God doesn't exist or he has chosen to abandon me. If it is to be, it is up to me. I guess I'm looking for solid secular advice on healing. Maybe this isn't the place.
I appreciate whatever you can provide.
My best, DW
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Post by mike on May 18, 2011 12:31:59 GMT -7
D-Wife,
What I would write to a woman who was in a better place with the Lord probably wouldn't carry much weight with you, based on the current state of your relationship with Him.
The best advice I could give you where you are today is to get a Bible and journal, leave the cell phone and notebook PC home, and go some place alone for 24 - 48 hours, preferably in a retreat environment. There are many out there if you look - usually they don't have TV's so you won't be distracted.
Then, just start from square one with God - just a woman and the Creator of the Universe. Forget about your husband, your job, everything. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you and speak to you. He will speak to you through His word if you let Him. He has promised that "if we seek Him with all our heart we will find Him" (Jeremiah 29:13). When God makes a promise, He keeps it.
During your time, I would encourage you to start by praying through Psalms 22. Write impressions out in your journal, and speak honestly and openly with Him about everything in your heart, the doubts, fears and anger.
The most life changing moments in my life have been when I was alone with God. Not at church, or in a counselor's office, reading books, etc.
Without God, your husband might straighten out but you could still be bound up in misery and bitterness. With God, you could lose your husband yet still know peace. The Christian life is not one those who don't know Him can understand. Once you've experienced His "lovingkindness that is better than life" (Psalms 63), He will show you how even the darkest pit can be turned into something good.
Oh, and He promises never to abandon us. Suffering in this life does not equate abandonment; God doesn't leave men or women, they leave Him because they've bought into a lie that He isn't there or doesn't care.
If you get the relationship with God right, and make it first, He will help you. The nice part is that as you trust HIm, any striving to control people and circumstances can fade away.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 3:07:31 GMT -7
[user=42104]Devastated Wife[/user] wrote:
I would echo everything that Mike said. I would also say that I truly experienced God when I realized I had been looking for him in everyone else. I hope that makes sense. So when my earthly father or friends or bosses or girlfriends or my wife let me down, I felt as if it were God who ultimately was letting me down.
My whole life I've looked to everyone else for validation and love. My identity came from my relationships. When people liked me and I was in control then I was cool with myself and my place in life, and by default God loved me. When I fell out of favor or the people around me didn't meed my needs or even worse did horrible things to me, then I hated myself and in my world God had abandoned me or was angry it me. Throw in my compulsion to self medicate and the process became even worse.
Oddly enough I really began to experience God and his love when I acknowledged that He never intended for me to carry all this garbage around and that I needed to get rid of bitterness. When I began to actively forgive myself and all the people who had wounded me throughout my life, I finally began to see real healing.
Here's the real piece. It may sound churchy, and it may sound clichéd, but the Creator of everything desires you deeply. More deeply than anyone in the world can begin to know. He wants you with all your hurts, problems and wounds. He just wants you. I really feel that if we ever got how much he really loves us it would change our lives forever. Ephesians says: "May you experience the love of Christ, though it is so great you will never fully understand it. Then you will be filled with the fullness of life and power that comes from God." I cant help but note that it says first we experience God's love/grace and then we will be filled with his life and power. Power to heal and power to change. Don't give up DW and I fully believe God is big enough to handle your anger and your sense of abandonment by him during this horrible time you've gone through. Bring it to him. And more than anything, as Mike said. Take a weekend just for you and seek God out. I think you'l be blown away by how he shows up.
My Best
Reborn
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