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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 10:10:36 GMT -7
I'm just looking for information, advice and feedback about disclosure to children. So far I have not been able to find any literature that promotes keeping this a secret from the kids. Boy, did I really try to find some....it would make life much easier and less painful. Anyway, here are a few of my quesitons....my children are 20, 18 and 14.
[*]Is it appropriate to tell without the consent of your addicted spouse? My addict is still in denial and literally panics when I mention it. I anticipate a lot of hostility from him. [/*] [*]What do you tell? Do you specifically use the words "sex addict"? While I don't feel it's prudent to give details, I think they need some specific information. I don't want them to "imagine" all sorts of things. [/*] [*]How do you tell? Should it be in the presence of a therapist who they never met? Should you tell them one on one? All together? [/*] [*]Should I provide information about his child abuse? Certainly not as a means of justification but as a way to explain the progression. [/*] [*]What kind of reactions can I expect from them? How do I help them through this?[/*]
I would appreciate the sharing of your experiences. Thank you, allalone
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 12:26:14 GMT -7
HI Allalone,
I think the kids have to know. Withholding the information will not serve them well in the long run. Just as no wife of a sex addict is unscathed by the addiction, the kids are bound to be effected. They have to know, at an age appropriate level, what has been going on. This will quell their fears. Their minds are undoubtedly making up all kinds of things.
The sex addict in your life, through his actions, forfeited all right to serve as the head of the house. I think you have to decide what is best for the kids without his input. He's not capable of putting someone else's welfare above his own. He can't be objective about this.
We disclosed to my daughter, then 22, after a screaming session I had. After that, there wasn't much to disclose. My husband was late for a family dinner and the route he was on took him past numerous porn shops. I lost it. I was convinced that he lost an hour or two on the way home in the porn shops. He says he was just running late. Riiiiight. Whatever.
My son, then 20, was not home. We just told him that we were in marital therapy. I think he has a right to know the truth so that he can guard his own thought life against the same demons. My husband has yet to disclose. I think it will be up to me.
Truth will set you free.......I have a much better relationship with my daughter now after the disclosure than before. My husband had successfully convinced her I was crazy. Now she understands the truth about who is and who is not sick.
I hope that helps.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 4:25:51 GMT -7
My own sense is that it's very important that kids know the basic outlines of parents' addictions. Addictions tend to run in families, whether for genetic reasons or because the family structures of addicts tend to be psychologically self-perpetuating I'm not sure. My kids therefore need to know that I'm an addict in order to keep themselves safe, just as they need to know that I have heart trouble and a history of seizures in order to keep themselves safe.
I don't want to share this sort of thing with my kids. Any conversation with kids about parents' sexual lives is uncomfortable for everyone. Conversations about sex addiction are even more so. But I don't believe that I have the right to endanger my kids by not sharing that information with them. It's their history as well as mine.
How should one share, and how much? I don't have answers to those questions that fit everybody. We started out when the kids were younger and when I was just starting in recovery by explaining that Dad was working with a counselor on psychological things that were making him unhappy and on learning how not to get angry with people, and that part of that was going to meetings with other people a couple of nights a week. At some stage, I think this is all kids need to know - that Dad is aware of some things he has done wrong and that he is working to do better.
My college aged sons know more than this. I've talked with them about my addiction to pornography, and they know that the meetings I go to are Sex Addicts Anonymous meetings. I haven't yet had that conversation with my somewhat younger daughters, and I'm not looking forward to it, but pretty soon it needs to happen.
In disclosing to my sons, I didn't have the conversation with a counselor present. I wrote a long letter to them saying the various things I thought needed to be said, and then I sat down with the two of them together and talked about what was in the letter. At the end, I gave them the letter to have as a record of the conversation that they could refer to later if they had questions. Things I told them included
- That I had been hooked on porn for a very long time.
- That I had not been physically unfaithful in my marriage.
- That Mom knew everything I was telling them.
- Some sort of outline about what issues I was working on in counseling and how I came to be addicted.
- That I've been going to SAA meetings, and something about how the 12-step program works.
- That SA is a real addiction, that there is always hope for addicts who are ready to recover, that recovery has to be done with the help of others, and that if they had problems of this sort, they could always talk to me.
- That addictions run in families, and therefore that they need to be doubly careful about engaging in possibly addictive behaviors.
- That my addiction had led me to isolate and to be angry with them, that I was sorry about this, and that I hoped at some point they could forgive me, and that I was prepared to do whatever they needed me to do in order to make amends.
- That one of the ways in which addiction perpetuates itself is that families feel they need to keep secrets, and that I was not telling them to keep secrets. I hope my identity as a sex addict doesn't become a matter of public knowledge. For a teacher in a small school in a small city, that could be a problem. But if my kids need to process what they are feeling by talking with other people, they have an absolute right to do that. I hope they'll do that discretely, but if my history gets out, that's my problem, not theirs. After all, I'm the one that used the stuff. If they'd like to talk with a counselor or our priest or whoever as part of processing what I'm saying, I can arrange that.
Probably there was more, but that's some of the basics.
Neither kid has felt a need to work with a therapist on this, but one of them has some other psychological issues, and we have made it a point to have family sessions and make sure his counselor knows about my addiction as a crucial piece of his family background.
What to say if the addict himself isn't willing to disclose or denies that there is a problem? I would say that for the kids' sake, it is still important that they know at least the bare outlines that Dad is an addict in denial. I have no experience making that sort of disclosure, but I'd think you'd want some guidance before doing so. It seems to me it's awfully important that the disclosure be shaped by a desire to tell the kids what they know in order to be safe, and not by a desire to punish the addict by revealing his secrets or to induce the kids to choose up sides.
One source that might be worth consulting, a book I read before talking to my wife and kids, is Deborah Corley and Jennifer Schneider's book Disclosing Secrets. There's a lot of good material in there, and the last chapter is called, "What to Tell the Kids."
Enough. I hope some of that was useful, at least as one data point from one addict.
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 7:40:35 GMT -7
I have been in a situation of turmoil as well. I recently had to put my son in an uncomfortable situation. He has his own computer, which he paid for. He has a filter on it, like we all do. (We each have our own computers)He has proven himself(my son) trustworthy with the computer, so I didn't think it was fair for him to be so heavily filtered. I decided to lessen his filtering,(It still has some filtering, but he has more freedom than any of the rest of us)His is now monitored by me, to make sure he stays safe.
So, I have asked him to change his password, and give it only to me. I don't want my husband having access to his computer, because I know that it would be a huge temptation for him. Please know that this is about protecting my son, and not about controlling my husband. Anyway, my son is scared that if my dh finds out, he will reformat his computer, which he has threatened to do, if he ever changed his password without telling him.
I don't want to tell my husband, because I am afraid that he will obsessively try to figure out the password, and put my son at risk. This is so unfair to my son!!! Anyway, I bought a usb for my son to back up all of his files on, so if my dh erases his computer, and reformats it, my son won't lose his files. I know this whole thing seems crazy. Am I doing the right thing here? Should I handle this differently? I don't like being secretive, but with my husband's issues, I just don't know another way to do this.
Also, I don't know how to go about backing up my son's stuff, so that's an issue too.
Back to the OP. While my son knows about my husband's problem in a very broad way, this has made it more personal for my son. I had to tell him more, (not graphic stuff, but more about the obsessiveness of it) and felt like I put him in a bad situation. Sigh!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 8:27:16 GMT -7
Hi HisHeart,
I'd like to make a suggestion, and no......I don't get a cut, but I am using carbonite back-up system for my work computers. For $60 a year, you get automatic, off-site back-up protection. I have not had to use it yet, but it gives me peace of mind to know that all of my software and datafiles are backed up in the event I have a disaster like a fire, etc. I'm not sure how easy it would be to restore it all, but the beauty of this system is that once it is set up (something even I could do) it happens "automagically." The password is set by the initial user, the files are all off-site, so "the husband" would not be able to destroy the files.
www.carbonite.com
The husband has threatened to reformat your son's hard drive? Wow.
Couple of questions that come to mind: How old is your son? Why reduce the level of his filtering? If the husband tries to use your son's computer, wouldn't that be an admission that he has been doing things he shouldn't be doing? What, if anything, have you disclosed to your son?
My best, DW
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 9:03:58 GMT -7
I think that much of what you describe technically makes sense. For instance, it's perfectly reasonable that your husband not have a password to your son's computer.
But the whole family situation really makes me uneasy. An addict who is serious about recovery and who understands what he has done should have no problems understanding why you are not comfortable with him having a password to your son's computer and accepting that fact. If that helps you feel secure, then he should joyfully encourage you to do it. For him to make threats about reformatting the box seems to me absolutely unacceptable.
It should not be necessary for you and your son to be living in fear of your husband. This is seriously not good for either of you. It's a big part of the mechanism of addictive behavior passing itself down the generations.
So I think you're handling the technical stuff thoughtfully and correctly, but I also think your post raises huge emotional questions. How long are you prepared to live in a situation in which you cannot feel safe being honest with your husband, in which your son is frightened of him, in which the two of you need to collude to stay safe? To me, this sounds unhealthy and abusive, not an environment in which kids ought to grow up.
I it time for there to be some sort of boundaries and consequences in place to keep everybody safe and to refuse to live with the fear?
Just a question from someone who only knows the other side.
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 9:27:55 GMT -7
Hi HisHeart, I'd like to make a suggestion, and no......I don't get a cut, but I am using carbonite back-up system for my work computers. For $60 a year, you get automatic, off-site back-up protection. I have not had to use it yet, but it gives me peace of mind to know that all of my software and datafiles are backed up in the event I have a disaster like a fire, etc. I'm not sure how easy it would be to restore it all, but the beauty of this system is that once it is set up (something even I could do) it happens "automagically." The password is set by the initial user, the files are all off-site, so "the husband" would not be able to destroy the files. www.carbonite.comThe husband has threatened to reformat your son's hard drive? Wow. Couple of questions that come to mind: How old is your son? Why reduce the level of his filtering? If the husband tries to use your son's computer, wouldn't that be an admission that he has been doing things he shouldn't be doing? What, if anything, have you disclosed to your son? My best, DW Okay, my son is 14. My dh has threatened to reformat my son's computer when my son has changed the password without telling either of us. My son's computer is really highly filtered, and if he tries to go to a blocked site, it is recorded, and I can view it on the safe eyes site. He has proven himself to be trustworthy with his computer, so I felt that he deserved more freedom with it. I have never been comfortable with my husband knowing my son's password, but it hasn't been a real issue, as long as my son's computer was so highly filtered. My fear was that if my husband knew that my son's computer was freed up, even though it's still monitored, when he gets in his frenzies, my son's computer would be the target, because it has the most freedom. Basically, my husband wants to feel like he can be the parent, and keep track of my son's computer activity. The problem is that my husband is not trustworthy with my son's computer. he has actually proven this before, but as I said, it wasn't a big deal, since he couldn't get anywhere. For the record, the freedom I am talking about doesn't mean that my son's computer isn't filtered at all. It still has nudity, etc. blocked, but we used to have search engines blocked, etc. I really just wish my son's computer could be completely safe. My son shouldn't have to deal with this, and he shouldn't have to be so highly filtered, just because of his dad's lack of discipline, you know? About the back up, that sounds great. I did get my son a usb drive to back his files up on, but I like the idea of the one kept far away too. You'll have to share with me how you do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 6:04:05 GMT -7
Dear HisHeart,
I've slept on this situation and here is my suggestion: You need to stand as an absolute bulwark between your husband's imbecility and your son. The conversation, as I envision it, would go something like this:
"I have made the unilateral decision to allow our son more freedom on the internet. Because of your problem with porn, I have instructed him to change his password and give it only to me. You are not to use our son's computer for any reason. Any issue that you have with this is an issue with ME, not our son. Leave him out of it.
We have also installed the carbonite back-up system on his computer. His files are now safely secured off-site. I am the only one with the password to that service. Any childish attempts to reformat his hard drive or destroy his computer will be futile as all of his files and software are easily retrievable."
The carbonite system walks you through the entire process of installing the back-up software and selecting which drives you want to include in the service. There may be only one physical hard drive in your son's computer, but it may be partitioned into two "logical drives" such that the computer recognizes drives C and D. If that is the case, you need to make sure you tell carbonite that you want to back-up C and D. When I signed up for the service, there was a two week free trial offer, so there is no charge to start using the service. Just make sure you are backing up all fixed, physical drives. It will not back-up external hard drives. So those would still be vulnerable. It may take a day or so to send everything off-site, but once all the drives display a green dot on them, all is safely off-site.
I hope that is helpful.
My best, DW
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