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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 0:02:12 GMT -7
My husband has a book, "Every Woman's Desire." It was written by three men. I picked it up and started reading it, chuckling to myself as I did, thinking "This ought to be good. Maybe it should have been sold as "humor" or "fiction." What do three men know about "every Woman's Desire?" Here's a link: www.amazon.com/Every-Mans-Marriage-previously-released/dp/1578565227I've read about half of it in an hour, and I must say it is a good book. If I had to sum it up in one or two sentences: "Women desire oneness.....emotional intimacy with their husbands. "Christian" men are to submit to their wives, sacrificially, loving their wives as Christ loved the church." For men who are ready to receive the message, it is a good book.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 7:11:23 GMT -7
I finished the book. There were jaw dropping moments where I literally could not believe these men "got it." As time permits, I want to provide a chapter by chapter synopsis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 7:15:25 GMT -7
For those who do not have time to read the book, I am providing an outline of the things I found particularly significant from the book. I would recommend reading the book if at all possible.
From Chapter 2: "Men are primarily responsible to complete God's call to marital oneness (drawn especially from Ephesians 5:23, where we're told, "for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior"). While women have clear responsibilities in marriage, let's speak plainly: Who is God like to hold most responsible?"
From Chapter 3: "I had trampled Brenda [emphasis mine], crushing the opportunity for oneness in our marriage. I had stampeded her concerns, stepped on her feelings. Such trampling [emphasis mine] is sinning against your wife. ... Most of us Christian men sin against our wives regularly, but we're just too blind to see it."
When there is an impasse..."The natural pattern is for the 'leader" to call for a vote, as it were, and break the tie in his own favor. Isn't that what guys do all the time...? ... We are to follow Paul's example from Romans: ""Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification."
"To paraphrase Paul's words in Romans, we might way, "look, Tim, your freedom in Christ is not to be your only focus, although you're the leader of your home. NO CHRISTIAN [emphasis mine] lives for himself alone, but rather for Christ's purposes. God called you to lead your marriage into oneness [emphasis mine]. Why are are you putting a stumbling block in Sally's way?" .... "Husbands' submitting to our wives for the sake of oneness is a bedrock biblical principle. And it's here that we begin to understand the role of male submission in marriage. For us husbands, as for Paul, there are more important things than exerting any authority in our marriage--things like oneness and growth of a tender, fragile relationship. I call this "submission to oneness.""
"Any stumbling block we place in the way of oneness with our wives is sin. It weakens God's purpose for marriage and glaunts our leadership at the expense of God's work."
"I once talked with a fellow named Richard, who said, "Fred, my wife doesn't like French kissing. She says it makes her nauseous and totally ruins the whole sexual experience for her. She's nuts! [Absolutely ignored her point of view and trampled her essence.] French kissing really turns me on, and I feel cheated and downright furious when she won't do it. After all, the Bible says that we aren't to deny our bodies to each other. To me, that means I should get what I want, but I don't! She just won't give in. From time to time, we'll be in bed and things will be going along so well that I'll give it another try. But she immediately goes rigid and loses all interest. She acts as if it's a big sin, yet there isn't a single Scripture verse against it. If God has no problem with it, why should she?" [Ladies, did you notice how many "I's" there were in that? Clearly espoused by a self-centered child.]
Richard has a point. There's no Scripture against French kissing. His wife doesn't even call it a sin. Bur for Richard, French kissing is a sin because it tramples his wife's sexuality, a precious essence of her soul. Nothing breaks oneness like trampling your wife's soul essence---that mysterious, God-created combination of her innermost qualities." [emphasis mine]
"Paul teaches in Romans 14:16-18 submission for the sake of oneness. This fosters peace, joy, and righteousness. .... If Richard's wife yields to his authoritative demands for French kissing, he may think he's gaining pleasure. but his wife will only be nauseous and seethe deeply in her soul. In the future she's more likely to avoid sex at every possible turn, going to bed early [or late] to avoid what has become for her a demeaning, joyless act. [emphasis mine]"
"More often than not, we must give in at impasses for the sake of god and for the sake of oneness. That's called servant leadership.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 7:15:54 GMT -7
From Chapter 4, From Trampling to Submitting: "...[Y]our wife is precious to you. She lives with you and lies in your arms. She's to be treated according to her value to God as a child created in His image. You've been entrusted with the priceless essence of another human sould, so precious to God that He paid dearly for her with the death of His own Son."
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them" (Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers" (1 Peter 3:7)
"...[T]he Greek term for "weaker partner" can also be translated "fine china".... [Your wife] is a piece of God's finest china, lovely in His sight. ... I trampled her femininity and godly character..."
Paraphrasing: Demeaning and belittling tramples oneness. Men are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church. "A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out" (Matthew 12:20). Christ doesn't trample us in our weakness. Husbands must not trample their wives in their weakness.
"When we husbands insist on being Chief Tiebreaker in our tribe and refuse our role in mutual submission, the relationship becomes to unbalanaced that our wives can scarcely fulfill their role of submission." [Read that one again, gentlemen.]
"As chief tiebreakers we let our personalities so dominate that we can tear and confuse our wives."
The author was troubled by his need to "submit." "I meditated long and hard over this. As my understanding cleared, I realized that I hadn't been forced to submit. I had chose to. I hadn't submitted to her authority or to her will; I had submitted to oneness. I had yielded my rights as leader for the sake of the relationship and for the sake of God's work and purposes, just as Paul had done. I had chosen to sacrifice something for her."
[Emphasis mine] "Jesus submitted, thorugh suffering and death, to oneness with us. He came to do the will of His Father, not His own will. His Father's will was for Jesus to bring us to God. Jesus taught us submission to oneness by example. He laid down His life in full submission for the sake of our relationship with Him, though we were yet sinners. Only then did He ask in return our full submission to His authority. His submission to oneness and our submission to His authority made oneness possible. This mutual submission makes us fellow heirs with Him to rule and to reign as His bride. Oneness always requires mutual submission. Mutual submission is God's will for Christian relationships: "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ" (EPHESIANS 5:21)
"There is no oneness in marriage without male submission, whatever we call it."
"What is every woman's desire in marriage? Oneness."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 7:50:50 GMT -7
From Chapter 5, Pursuing your woman's desire: Oneness.....
"Many men whitewash their lives with the language and customs of the Christian culture. Satisfied with salvation alone, they avoid the strenuous work of submission necessary for oneness with Christ. So singing in the choir by day, they hit their wives by night. Nodding their heads about the sanctity of marriage by day, they wallow in cyber sex by night. Ravaging their homes with verbal abuse by day, they serve at deacon meetings by night. One the outside they seem Christian enough, but they refuse to meet the terms of oneness."
"When we turn on the computer and masturbate to naked, nameless lovers lying across our screen, we trample His essence."
"Who sets the terms for oneness in marriage? Your wife. more accurately, your wife's essence. and that means there will be some sacrifice on your part."
Are you clueless?
Paraphrasing: A woman's home is a reflection of her. If your wife asks you to fix up the house, do it. Give her projects the same priority as your projects. A wife's response to her husband's procrastination: "In six years, he couldn't find a single weekend to make me happy. I wasn't a priority to him. every time I stepped into those bathrooms, I was reminded that he didn't care about me. I was hurt, and then I became angry. I resented all the things he made sure he did for himself and especially those things he expected me to do for him."
"The whole plan of marriage was designed that you might be one with her. And because women were created for relationship, her highest priority is that you would honor her essence as you do your own, living in mutual submission with here. This is every woman's desire."
"Most of us husbands are not thinking about what our wives truly desire. Our wives want rich communication and a bond that no one can touch. They long to blossom in marriage. They long for our eyes to meet in meaningful dialogue.
Go into any restaurant and watch the older couples. Most take a small corner table, order off the menu, and barely speak a word to each other during the entire meal. Their eyes rarely meet. As they shuffle past on their way out the door, [emphasis mine] LOOK AT THE WOMAN'S EYES. IT'S TRULY HARROWING. SHE'S JUST PLAYING OUT THE STRING. WAS THIS GOD'S DREAM FOR HER IN MARRIAGE? FOR US? IN PRE-MARRIAGE CLASS, EVERY FEMALE EYE IS BRIGHT WITH HOPE AND ANTICIPATION. THE TRAMPLING OF MARRIAGE BRINGS DEATH TO THOSE EYES. YOUR WIFE DID NOT EXPECT YOU TO TRAMPLE HER. YOU SEEMED KIND AND GODLY BEFORE MARRIAGE. SHE NEVER DREAMED YOU WOULD TREAT HERE LIKE THIS."
Sadly, most men are a mirage. According to one recent study, our report card is shameful:
[*]Eighty-four percent of women feel they don't have intimacy (oneness) in their marriages.[/*][*]Eighty-three percent of women feel their husbands don't even know the basic needs of a woman for intimacy(oneness) or how to provide intimacy for them.[/*][*]A large majority of female divorcees say that the married years were the loneliest years of their lives.[/*] What obstacles have blocked us from answering God's call to oneness with our wives?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 9:03:11 GMT -7
From Chapter 6, Facing the Top Ten Love-Chillers:
1. Men are rebellious by nature. We get bored fast with the straight life. We'd rather have things our own interesting way.
2. The male ego is bigger but more fragile than the female ego. The fragility of our egos easily prevents oneness and intimacy. The big fragile ego can easily see the expression of our wives' superior gifts as a threat.
3. Men are relatively less sensitive to the needs of others. Men want their sexual needs met regardless of what is going on in our lives.
4. Men are less able to express emotions and feelings verbally than women are. Verbal deficiency doesn't aid the cause of oneness.
5. The male brain is more oriented to facts and logic than to emotions and intuitions. As leaders, we should allow our wives' superior gifts of discernment to bless our marriages and to promote oneness. Our maleness can blind us to the finer aspects of our wives' essence, so we trample them regularly.
6. Men are sexually stimulated visually. "Men are pigs." It's an apt indictment. Rather than purify our eyes and submit our behaviour to God, we often choose our own way. .... The lust of our eyes naturally hardens our hearts to our wives' sexual essence. We think she must meet our terms or we'll detour to the ever-ready harems of cyberspace.
7. Before marriage, males take responsibility for nurturing the love relationship. After marriage, he sees the bride as someone to look after him.
8. Men need less romance than women. We tend to forget to stoke the fires of the relationship. We say to ourselves, "okay, now I've got a wife. What's next on the agenda?" But romance lies at the heart of the female essence. [ROMANCE, NOT SEX, ROMANCE IS AT THE HEART OF THE FEMALE ESSENCE.] A wife explains: "I love the romantic intimacy of a hug and extra attention, but any little hug and kiss I give John seems to suggest that I want to make love. How exasperating! I just want him to know that I love him, and I just want the same response back without feeling that I have to jump into bed. I just want him to hold me and talk to me; I just want to be near him." [Read that again, gentlemen. Read it three times if you must, but read it, internalize it, live it. There is NOTHING more exasperating than giving your husband a hug and having him turn into a groping machine. NOTHING more disgusting in the world....Nothing.]
9. The Male shield from inferiority is his work. The wife's shield from inferiority is generally her husband, so she naturally places a higher value on the marital relationship than her husband does. Oneness isn't on his radar screen. A man often has a 7 year business plan to build and grow his business, but rarely has a 7 year plan to build, grow and nurture his marriage.
10. Men desire peace in marriage, women desire oneness. Men can easily be satisfied with a business partner type of relationship in marriage as long as there's peace and enough sex. Rather than rise above our natural male preference for peace over oneness, we selfishly settle for what's comfortable to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 9:40:44 GMT -7
From Chapter 7, Leading as a bondservant.......
"if you as chief tiebreaker are crushing oneness in your marriage, it's not enough to polish your image by making "sacrifices." You need an entirely new mindset and a wholesale change in motive. When Jesus washed His disciples' feet, this act of submission wasn't about showing off His superior humility or sensitivity. Setting an example wasn't even His primary motive. The sacrifice of male submission will set an example, but its primary purpose is to release our wives to life life fully and blossom to their full potential. Servant leadership i smore than washing your wife's feet once in a while or vacuuming before she returns home. It's more than washing dishes, running a load of laundry, or filling her car with gas. We have neighbors who would do these things for us in a pinch.
"But Fred and Steve, my wife is not my master!" True, but becoming one with her essence is your master. You submit your rights in whatever way necessary as leader to attain this, not because she has authority over you, but become you love her. You've been commanded to lover her in precisely this way by someone who does have authority over you---Jesus Christ."
Submission, obedience to Christ leads to paradoxical blessings. This servant approach has actually given the authors stronger leadership in their marriages, not less.
When they are leading as bondservants, their wives' submission becomes easier for her, which strengthens the husband's leadership.
And it affair-proofs the marriage.
"Playing CHIEF tIEBREAKER WILL TRAMPLE YOUR WIFE'S CONVICTIONS AND EAT AWAY AT HER SOUL ESSENCE. SHE'LL NEVER BLOSSOM UNDER THAT SCENARIO, AND THERE'LL BE NO ONENESS. YOU WON'T EXPERIENCE INTIMACY."
"We need to lead and to lead strongly, but we need a bondservant style of leadership that creates oneness and radiance in our wives."
How?
1. The bondservant constantly studied his master to find new ways to better serve his master.
2. The bondservant did all he could to build the esteem and prestige of the master in the community.
3. The bondservant treated his master's thoughts and opinions as being as valuable as his own.
4. The bondservant was happy to do the most menial, thankless jobs to make room for the master to exercise his gifts.
5. The bondservant made allowances for the weaknesses of his master.
6. The bondservant's sin hurt his master and he didn't dawdle in seeking freedom from his sin.
What if I don't learn to submit?
"In all cases, you will not have oneness. You may have peace, you may have marital longevity, and you may even APPEAR to have a marriage made in heaven. But you won't have a relationship based on intimacy. As a result, there'll be casualties on all sides, including one of particular interest to men -- SEX.
"For women, sexual attraction is based on relationship. If you've refused to take on a servant's mind-set, you'll have a wife with weak, little or no sexual attraction to you. Take your pick. That's just the way it is.
A church pastor one said to someone, "see that chair over there? That's my counseling chair. Do you know what complaint I hear most often from married men?" No, what is it? he was asked. "I'm just not getting any sex."
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Why don't women want sex with their husbands? The answer is that they have no real relationship with them. They don't feel intimate at all. Their husbands haven't allowed their wives' soul essences to be honored, loved and expressed with their own. "
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 9:59:00 GMT -7
From Chapter 8, The "master" defines your rights.......
Do not think of your wife and children second, after yourself. You'll trample her essence and destroy oneness.
From Chapter 9, Your time is not your own......
One of the most important desires of a woman is time. Without time with her husband, a woman becomes disconnected and feels devalued and very alone. When a wife feels undernourished, underappreciated and underloved, she wilts into a bland nothingness instead of blossoming with life and excitement. With nothing to nurture her, her unique beauty and allure can be shrouded.
"When men notice this lifelessness, they draw back from the faint, dark image of the woman they married. Sadly, rather than devote more time and reverse the condition, they spend even less time at home. The more his wife wilts, the more justified he feels to have his own life. The death of her spirit under his lack of commitment is often the death of the relationship because he cannot stand to be with someone who's so unresponsive." [Allow me to translate for you: frigid women are not born, they're made, by men who are inconsiderate pigs.]
"The other wifely reaction to a lack of time is war. Rather than wilt, the woman begins to fight for what is hers. her anger spews all over herself and onto her husband. She's ticked, and she wants him to know it and to figure out how to undo the damage. Her war is with him, but what she's fighting for is her own sense of value. After all, she dreamed tha tmarriage would be a place where should would feel supremely treasured.
The reaction of a husband to a wife at war is never pretty. He may withdraw or rage back, but such conflict never leads to connection, intimacy, and a maturing relationship. The dynamic can change when the man decides to be her bondservant by giving freely of his time. This action will make all the difference in the world."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2010 2:16:02 GMT -7
Hi DW,
I started a new topic in the wives section of this forum regarding this book. I couldn't remember where I initially read about the recommendation. Thank you for recommending this book. I'm almost finished with it. I too am surprised at how these men "get" it.
Early in his recovery, my husband read Every Mans Battle. At the time, he was still in denial and only took from it one phrase...."men need sexual release at least every 72 hours or else.....". Well, he had the nerve to say that to me and believe me, after my response, he never mentioned it again!
I'm happy to say that he has re-read that book several times since those early days and now has a clearer understanding of their writings. The point to my little story here is that I was skeptical about reading "Every Woman's Desire" because it was written by the same authors. What could they possibly know about women if they are telling men that sexual release is a physical necessity?
Anyway, I've read both books in their proper context and they are both very good. "Every Woman's Desire" is a book that all men should read. I'll even take it a step further and say that teenagers should read it too. We formally educate our children in the skills of mathematics, science, and even auto shop but never in the skills of "Relationship Management". All the traditional academic skills mean nothing if we can't even interact with one another.
Thank you again for the recommendation and to those reading this post, let me say that this book is well worth it. The authors have put into words the feelings and emotions we all share.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2010 5:16:41 GMT -7
From Chapter 10, Making room for HER gifts........
The author's wife had a gift for entertaining and saw it as a ministry. She wanted to have the house "just so" for her guests. Husband didn't understand and belittled and berated her efforts. He halfheartedly helped with the kids, halfheartedly picked up around the house, swept, etc. The author decided to change his attitude. Instead of halfheartedly "helping," he began arriving home an hour earlier from work to really help his wife prepare. RESULT: "I noticed that Brenda and I became closer when we worked together toward the common goal of having a spic-and-span house ready for hungry guests who'd enjoy one of my wife's great home-cooked meals. But it's not just the common goal. It's not even that I now understand Brenda's gift or feel the same urgency that drivers her to do it all. I don't. It's just that I started to recognize that she has a valid ministry right in our home, and I began honoring it alongside my own ministries."
Now Steve tells his trampling story:
Steve's wife, Sandy, had a creative flair. It showed in the clothes she wore. Steve wanted her to dress like an Ivy League preppy princess, so he bought her tartan pleated shorts, knee socks, and stiff blouses with big bows around the neck. He was proud when she dressed like he wanted her to dress. She was lifeless, irritable, and angry, but she looked good to Steve. "Like so many other Christian men, I though that my job was to be boss and that what I said was the most important thing. My wife's feelings meant nothing compared to the way I felt things had to be." This attitude is destructive to any relationship and to women in general. This treatment keeps women down, totally disconnected from the person God intended them to be. What a far cry from god's ideal of a woman's being cherished by a man. So evaluate your treatment of your wife. If it's unkind and uncaring, confess this to her, ask her to forgive you, and begin the journey of finally discovering who God intended her to be.
A bondservant always makes room for his master's gifts and ministries so that his master might fully live and blossom. That is why we must keep talking with our wife, not so much to understand, but to hear her feelings. We must make room for what God places on her heart and respect her gifts, although those gifts may be tough to recognize. Yet our effort to make room for her gifts frees her essence to find its place in the marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 2:27:52 GMT -7
From Chapter 11, making room for her weakness..........
"Yes, your wife has weaknesses that can make her hard to appreciate, just as your weaknesses can make it hard at times for her to appreciate you. Nevertheless, she's a gift from God, and He picked this particular gift for you for a reason. And love is a reason behind most gifts."
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