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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 2:25:52 GMT -7
Its been about 1 month now, since I found his latest porn, I hadn't found any prior to this, for over a year. I find that every day........ I just get more emotionally distant from him. Each occurrence, no matter how far apart.... the worse it becomes :-( I am so over this........... I actually feel bad for my husband......... He is trying so hard to get close to me and I feel nothing back for him at all but maybe.... pity....? This is not how I thought my happy ever after would... be....
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 3:00:17 GMT -7
Well GodsGirl..........Everytime he chooses his addiction over you, it's a fresh kick in the teeth. There's only so much you can take....there's only so much any of us can take. I do think there is a point of no return, beyond which, our marriages are irretrievable.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 4:05:07 GMT -7
Well GodsGirl..........Everytime he chooses his addiction over you, it's a fresh kick in the teeth. There's only so much you can take....there's only so much any of us can take. I do think there is a point of no return, beyond which, our marriages are irretrievable.
I am beginning to feel that way too. It is just so very sad...... I feel nothing for him in my heart right now........... there is only an emptiness. I thought that I would be strong enough to withstand the wounds that would come from this battle..... but the scars are so thick............. I am almost numb.......... It is so hard for me to believe that God would want me to spend the rest of my life with this struggle........... but that is all I can foresee........... It has been over 8 years now............. I am so weary...........
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 4:39:30 GMT -7
"Does God want me to spend my life with this struggle."
That is the question I am grappling with as well.
Are we supposed to subordinate our very real needs to their addiction?
Are we supposed to honor our marriage vows in the face of continuing adultery? Are we supposed to continue to put a good face on it?
At what point do our needs take precedence? Ever?
All I see is an endless list of "TO DO's." I just don't have it in my to put his needs on my list. When will our wants and needs take priority or be given any consideration? Ever?
I've just about had it. To preserve his privacy, I've had to lie through omission or comission. His mother called and was congratulating herself that "her boys never did anything like Tiger Woods." Pfft. I bit my toungue and didn't say a word. And my mother asked me straight out where my husband was. "A meeting" was not a sufficient answer. She saw right through me. I hate that. I hate the lies. I HATE THE LIES. I hate the deceptions. I hate the half-truths. I hate everything about this addiction. Most of all, I hate what I've allowed it to do to me. I've had more than enough........and I have zero sympathy for the addicts at this point. Zero. Zip. Nada. None. They are nothing but arrested adolescents stuck in adult bodies impersonating adults and it will take years of therapy to undo that. Am I willing to stick around? Why should I? My entire marriage has been a lie and I don't think it will change going forward. If I thought there was going to be lasting change, I might be inclined to stick it out....but if he's not getting sex, I see that he backslides. I refuse to be a slave to his male member..but that's the net bottom line. If he's not getting sex, he's unbearable. I am indirectly a slave to his male member. He has been enslaved. I refuse to be enslaved by his addiction. I think this marriage is doomed. 2 Peter is a really good book of the Bible to read........Chapter 2, verse 19 explains.
Generally speaking, I think the wives of sex addicts are really, really, really bad at self-care. We have to be number one on our priority lists. Really.........we do. Don't be afraid to stick up for yourself and to take care of yourself first and foremost. I'm gradually learning that. I think it is better for the marriage to end rather than for you to lose yourself to this addiction. If the choice is the marriage or your health, mental or physical, then let the marriage go.
My best, DW
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 4:18:40 GMT -7
This is my 2nd marriage............... I am 44 years old and still have children in HS................. I truly am dependant financially right now......... I know that may sound terrible.......... but its the truth. After my 1st marriage ended I lived "out of" my car for a week, looking for a place to live and had to work 2 full time jobs to support myself & feed my children. I am not doing that again............... I absolutely refuse..........! Too old now & too tired........... I also keep believing somewhere deep inside that we will conquer this........... for I do truly believe God is with me........... this is my battle.......... this is where my learning of unconditional love comes in??? My race to finish? I am going to hang on for as long as I can.......... or wait to out live him! I know that's wrong..............!! I know!!!!!! It makes me now feel like a prostitute myself............. but....... as of now this is my only plan......... just feels good to vent and share with people who understand. Oh......... the lies!!!!!! Hate them!!!!!!! Sometimes I get so angry I just want to holler on the roof top and call his mom to tell her how her son has hurt me........... she too commented one time to me........... during a casual conversation......... that "my" hubby, her son... would never cheat on me!! I looked at her with eyes of daggers................ (I couldn't help it)!! (lol) She knew right then............. something was up. The next day she brought up another casual conversation and said......... sometimes its best that moms don't know some things & they are better left unsaid........... so I never said a word......... My mom knows :-) She is my anchor and my support system......... I would not have made it this far with out her! I am not a slave to his male member............. not in my eyes........... he is now my slave of guilt............. so sad........ :-( Sorry so long............ just need to get it out!! Holding on to my health....... though I have gained 50 lbs......... from my depressive states! And whats left of my sanity! Need to work out that anger in the gym instead!!!!!! I hope you find peace DW on this journey......... and the answers that you need as well. Thank you for your insights I appreciate them very much!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 15:28:50 GMT -7
Good for you, GodsGirl! Do what you have to do, but if you can, you might want to see a competent divorce attorney who can counsel you on how much alimony/equitable distribution you could expect to receive. You may be able to leave if you want to.
I took a walk tonight for my health. I really need to do this on a nightly basis. I am going to lose 50 pounds for my health. I don't care what I look like, I'm not doing it for him.......I'm doing it for me.........and it feels good.
50 to go........forward ho..........
My best, DW
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 9:00:33 GMT -7
I find myself in the same situation Godsgirl. I have a past history of my father being addicted to porn and I found out about a month and a half ago about my husband's three year porn addiction. He kept asking me to let go and forgive that he'd been clean for a month but I kept having this nagging feeling. Anytime I wanted to talk about his addiction he would say it was embarassing, counterproductive and that I was just saying things to beat him over the head with what he'd done. He would tell me how good he'd been all month. Well come to find out he had LimeWired a music video with a woman writhing in a nude body suit and swinging inside of a cage. I can see he's still flirting with disaster. It may not be outright pornography in some peoples eyes but it was about as close as you can get. He said he didn't think it was that bad and that I wouldn't get this torn up over it...does he really think I'm that stupid? I know exactly why he watched the video and he LimeWired it to get around Internet browsing history. I had resisted the urge to check up on him for a month, to give him some trust and privacy, but he didn't even deserve that.
When I first found out about the porn itself I was depressed and pitied him. All I could ask was "How could you? Why would you". Now I am incredibly angry that he would act like he had been a saint for a month and that he was worthy of my trust. Being guilt-tripped and lied to a second time after begging him to tell the truth from now on just makes me incredibly angry and drains me of all positive emotions. I pleaded with him to be accountable with me and tell me of his daily struggles. I am so tired of hearing that the past is the past and this time he's for real. For two days now I have been lying around sleeping for as long as I possibly can...anything to avoid facing the day. I thought I had forgiven him but now question if I am staying with him for financial reasons and because I'm afraid of being alone. My family and I aren't close and I have no desire to become involved with another man again. My husband tries to hug and kiss me but I feel nothing...sometimes I think I just feel revulsion. His sincerity seems so convincing but I'm finding it hard to trust him anymore, and what kind of relationship can two people have if one doesn't trust and the other doesn't open up? I'm going to try marriage counseling as a last resort. I don't want to jump to conclusions but this has gotten worse instead of better and I don't want to invest much more of my emotions or time in this, if he is only going to let me suffer the rest of our relationship.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2010 3:05:52 GMT -7
I find myself in the same situation Godsgirl. I have a past history of my father being addicted to porn and I found out about a month and a half ago about my husband's three year porn addiction. He kept asking me to let go and forgive that he'd been clean for a month but I kept having this nagging feeling. Anytime I wanted to talk about his addiction he would say it was embarassing, counterproductive and that I was just saying things to beat him over the head with what he'd done. He would tell me how good he'd been all month. Well come to find out he had LimeWired a music video with a woman writhing in a nude body suit and swinging inside of a cage. I can see he's still flirting with disaster. It may not be outright pornography in some peoples eyes but it was about as close as you can get. He said he didn't think it was that bad and that I wouldn't get this torn up over it...does he really think I'm that stupid? I know exactly why he watched the video and he LimeWired it to get around Internet browsing history. I had resisted the urge to check up on him for a month, to give him some trust and privacy, but he didn't even deserve that. When I first found out about the porn itself I was depressed and pitied him. All I could ask was "How could you? Why would you". Now I am incredibly angry that he would act like he had been a saint for a month and that he was worthy of my trust. Being guilt-tripped and lied to a second time after begging him to tell the truth from now on just makes me incredibly angry and drains me of all positive emotions. I pleaded with him to be accountable with me and tell me of his daily struggles. I am so tired of hearing that the past is the past and this time he's for real. For two days now I have been lying around sleeping for as long as I possibly can...anything to avoid facing the day. I thought I had forgiven him but now question if I am staying with him for financial reasons and because I'm afraid of being alone. My family and I aren't close and I have no desire to become involved with another man again. My husband tries to hug and kiss me but I feel nothing...sometimes I think I just feel revulsion. His sincerity seems so convincing but I'm finding it hard to trust him anymore, and what kind of relationship can two people have if one doesn't trust and the other doesn't open up? I'm going to try marriage counseling as a last resort. I don't want to jump to conclusions but this has gotten worse instead of better and I don't want to invest much more of my emotions or time in this, if he is only going to let me suffer the rest of our relationship. Im sorry honeybee :-( I find my husband watching the BET network on television a lot......... his porn addiction is with African American Women.) I believe he uses it as a guise also and he always seems to know names w/ faces to rap music artist, that he supposedly doesnt listen too? I think he must be watching the sexy music videos on TV when Im not around......... at least this is my thought on this!! I am NOT STUPID!!!!!!!!!! I can relate to you in so many ways about why we stay and how we feel :-( I have been doing this for 8 years now............. I have found that my emotions change with the day :-) I do get angry still........... but for the most part, most days................ its more like disgust than any thing else. You will have bad days and very bad days............ My depression upon first finding out truly lasted " on & off" for about 3 1/2 years......... I hate to tell you that but that was my personal experience. I however kept moving......... kept working....... kept my head in the scriptures and did not lose hold of my faith. You have only recently discovered your husbands addiction. What you are feeling is very normal!!! You will be alright though!!!!!!!! At least you will be alright in the sense that you will get up again! Each passing year the depressions I go into upon finding porn, leave me & have lifted sooner & sooner......... and last for less time. ( I just found porn again a month ago though......... and honestly......... Im still in a funk! If you are not wanting to even get out of bed, may I suggest that you seek medical help for a time if necessary to get you through this.......... this pain hurts........... sometimes extra help can be beneficial. So glad you are seeking some kind of counseling. My husband & I never have. I am still investing time in my marriage........... but my emotions are now finally beginning to leave the picture.......... Praying for you and your situation. ((HUGS))
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2010 16:31:35 GMT -7
Thanks for your support hun. Unfortunately I thought this might pop up at some point in my marriage when my husband went through the mid-life crisis or something, but I never imagined it entering my marriage within its first year and I'm only 27. It has destroyed any faith I might have had left for the male gender. My husband's latest fetish was a half-asian girl who started making porn for "Barely Legal". He claims he didn't know that she was asian and that he thought she was "just a white girl". I really hope he doesn't expect me to believe that - there is no mistaking almond shaped eyes and dark hair. His other obsession was Shakira, who is from Columbia and is of mixed ethnicity. He claims he is just a fan of her music but I think men have a way of fantasizing to vocals of pop artists, whom they find attractive (after all, we all know singers like Britney Spears don't have talented vocals). He used to make Cds of Shakira's songs and play them in the car. I always asked him to turn it off because of how sexual the songs were in subject and vocals. He denies being hung up on certain ethnicities so I'm not sure what his problem is. I find it insulting because I have the same body type as these girls, small up top with a larger bottom. I am no perfect 10 but I was a premie and have always been small. I have kept up the same weight that he married me at while he has gained. It's so hard when I know I tried to be alluring and he let himself go and turned elsewhere. I am so sorry that you found the porn after a year of thinking that maybe his addiction was done with. Eight years is such a long time to bear that burden and you are a strong woman, who he should feel very blessed to have in his life. Everytime a man betrays our trust, the harder it is to believe he's being honest "this time", or that he's even trying. It can be really frustrating. Whenever I am hurt I have a tendency to build walls but I fear alienating myself from him for worry he will feel deprived and be more tempted to turn back to porn. I think I've also had a major setback because I tried wearing lingerie again, a few days ago, and it just made me feel so dirty and objectified...as if I were competing with his loose women. I confessed to my gynocologist back when this first happened and she put me on Lexapro for depression, which she suggested 6 mos. minimum. It made me feel like I had the stomach flu and I was so sick to my stomach and couldn't stick with it because I was starting a brand new job when my world came crashing down, and couldn't afford to run for the bathroom all through work. I also hated the way it made me feel zombified but maybe indifference to everything is what I need to get better. I also dread supposed side effects of weight gain, loss of libido, and inability to climax. It would kill my self-esteem and make recovery harder for my husband. I feel counseling is all I have left to help me at this point. I hope you will consider it as well, as sometimes it is hard to get men to talk. I realize a counselor can't force them but I think they can definitely coach things in the direction they need to go by being a mediator. Really dreading the expense though ...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2010 23:39:43 GMT -7
" It has destroyed any faith I might have had left for the male gender."
Yup. I've come to believe that men are scum and women are stupid. It's a real shame we have to consort with them to propagate the species. Why do we put up with the things we put up with? I count myself among the stupid.
I shun men. I despise men. I see them as vile and disgusting creatures and I really hate dealing with them at any level and I really don't see that changing anytime soon....if ever.
It occurs to me that frigid women are not born.......they are created.........by men. By choosing porn over real relationship, my husband has destroyed that which he covets, that which was available to him if he had just taken the time and the effort to nurture the marriage. I'm sure there is a broader lesson there that is applicable to other aspects of life.
My best, DW
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 1:35:25 GMT -7
Honeybee,
I'll slip out if you'd rather not hear from somebody on my side of the fence here, but one quick comment? You write,
That's true, but I wonder if it isn't setting the wrong goals in counseling. It sounds like you're looking at counseling as a way to fix him. That's a noble goal, and he clearly needs fixing, but I don't think it can be your goal.
Facing the many emotional deficiencies that lead us into addiction is hard and terrifying work. It's not something we'll undertake because of a little cajoling. We have to be driven to it by complete desperation. We have to become willing to face anything, however scary, rather than continue on as we are. Until we reach that point, we're powerless over our addiction, and you certainly are powerless over it.
I hope your husband and all addicts become willing to face themselves and find freedom, but I think that fr your own well being it's important not to make that your job, but to face the fact that you can't make him better.
Instead, now is the time to place the mask over your own nose and mouth, looking after yourself before turning to the child next to you. You're the one feeling pain. You're the one unable to get out of bed. Go to counseling to help you be better - better if you decide to stay with him, and better if you do not; better if he comes to his senses, and better if he does not. That's a goal you can set for yourself, and a goal with which counseling can help you.
As DW asks,
How about now?
Again, apologies for stepping in if I should steer clear. Just say. I think it's awfully important, though, for people on both sides of the fence - for humans in general - to find, as the prayer says, the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Peace,
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 1:45:26 GMT -7
Hi Honeybee,
If your husband professes to be a believer, I suggest that you try directing him to Phil. 4:8. That holds us to a higher standard, avoiding even the appearance of evil. It's not that we must only listen to christian music, but listening to sexualized music when sexual purity is already a problem is playing with fire, not that listening to it is good for any of us. If he loves you, he should be thinking about every way in which he can support you feeling safe and loved.
Praying for you... TruthSeeker
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 1:57:39 GMT -7
And if I may add......counseling can be very helpful........but counselors themselves are fallible humans. They are not omnipotent or omniscient.
On more than one occasion our counselor has sided with him and attempted to place blame on me. I've found myself protecting myself from him and from her twice now. Don't be afraid to challenge the counselor.........or to set him/her straight in no uncertain terms.
Addicts are incredibly cunning and manipulative. Even counselors are not immune. Please do not place your unquestioned faith in the counselor or the process.
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