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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 12:11:05 GMT -7
I've been married for 22 years and I've always known there was and "occassional" problem with masterbation in my marriage. It wasn't until recently that my husband revealed that he had a long period of sexual abuse in his childhood. That abuse caused a lifetime of turmoil that involved using sex as a form of affection and validation. I cannot even begin to speak of the compassion and sorrow I have for what he endured. It seemed though, that as soon as the "abuse" door was opened, more and more horrors began to emerge. Instead of the occassional masterbation, it was now revealed that he could not get through a day without masterbating 5 or more times. There was also a separate life that involved prostitutes, peep shows, pornography and sex with anyone who had no boundaries. A separate, hidden life that has been protected with lies throughout our entire marriage. I understand about addiction and the compulsion it brings. I am angry that this happened to him and to our marriage. He is devastated and his shame and guilt overwhelm him. He is in private therapy as well as attending SA meetings and reaches out to his sponsor when needed. I am happy that he is working on mending his deep and shattering wounds. And here I am. Alone and waiting. I have a husband who barely speaks to me because of his shame and guilt. I have friends and family that have preconceived notions about addiction and who would certainly advise me to leave. I've talked to lawyers, therapists and psychologists who never fail to discuss the negative effects of divorce on children (the children are unaware of the situation). The nearest S-Anon meeting is over 100 miles away. It was suggested I go to an Al-Anon meeting. I am very much aware of Al-Anon and find it hard to believe anyone there can relate to my circumstances. After all, a slip from their family member may mean another drunken night whereas a slip from my husband many mean I contract HIV! Of course, there are plenty of websites that are willing to take your money and set up online chats and therapy for you. I read somewhere, possibly even on this forum, an analogy a woman used. "It's like being with your husband in an auto wreck. You are both pinned but the paramedics work hard to extracate him and then get him to a hospital where every one is busy trying to help him. In the meantime, they look at you and say they'll be back to help you....but no one ever shows up." Now let me add to her analogy....someone does stop by, but only to tell you that while your feelings are justified, your "reaction" to learning about his prostitutes for 22 years probably set his recovery back a bit! Sorry, while that may be unfortunate, I refuse to feel guilty about it. So here I sit, pinned in a mangled car, listening to the traffic whiz by, all alone! I've spoken to our therapist, who understandably and unfortunately can do nothing to speed his process of resolving his shame and guilt. "I'm sorry" she says. "I wish I can offer you some answers other than it will take time". Time, that's all I have. I wait for the kids to leave, close the door and just release these primal screams that terrify our dog. I wake up in the morning and all I can think about is when I can go back to bed because that will mean another empty day will have passed. And every day I wait, not sure for what. And every day I am alone.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 13:26:17 GMT -7
I'm an addict, and I won't try to respond to a pain I haven't felt, but one quick suggestion: I don't see mention of phone meetings on the S-Anon page, but COSA has both phone meetings and a Yahoo discussion group for partners of sex addicts. There's info at cosa-recovery.org/ . Continuing to brainstorm, you could always drive the 100 miles, at least now and then. Maybe you'd meet people you could be in phone/e-mail contact with, but whom you also sometimes saw in person. Maybe there are people at the meeting who live in your direction, and perhaps you could meet those people halfway in between. 100 miles is a long way - twice as far as I have to drive to SAA meetings - but if you need it and it's all there is . . . And maybe Alanon is worth a try. Drunks don't necessarily give one HIV (though once you're drunk in a bar, other things can happen), but they get abusive and get in car wrecks with your kids. There may be more connection there than you think. I have attended open AA meetings when I couldn't get to meetings of my own fellowships, and there is a lot of good recovery there. May you find the peace you seek! Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 13:47:09 GMT -7
Hi Allalone,
My heart aches with you. Please know that you are not utterly alone. We are here to listen, and have shared similarities in our stories.
I pray that God will draw near with His presence and peace, and that the fellowship here will help you to hang in there through this horrendous time
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 18:33:22 GMT -7
Dear Allalone, Please know that you are not "all alone." I am very willing to help you in any way I can. I am a bibliophile by nature....maybe that's my addiction, but I will tell you that reading several books on this subject has helped me immensely. Marsha Means wrote the story about "the accident" wherein she analogizes and compares the innocent spouse, usually the wife, to the injured passenger in an automobile accident. Here's a link: www.awomanshealingjourney.com/articles/viewArticle.php?articleID=23I found my husbands porn after 23 years of marriage, so I can relate to your agony.....and there's really no other way to describe it. The world that you lived in pre-discovery no longer exists. The man that you thought you were married to doesn't exist. Everything that you thought you "knew" is now called into question. Your life is upside down, in such disarray that you cannot imagine ever returning to any semblance of "normal" again. Your heart pounds, thoughts race in and out of your head and you would give just about anything to return to the moment just before discovery so that you could turn your head and change the path you are now on. That is how I felt during the weeks immediately following discovery. But as you correctly and cogently realize, in your situation, ignorance is not bliss. The reality is that your husbands extramarital activities involve physical contact and you are at risk. First things first. YOU MUST PROTECT YOURSELF FIRST AND FOREMOST. Please make an appointment with your doctor and get tested for everything under the sun. Shut him off. He has forfeited all right to physical intimacy with you. The children.........You may think the children are unaware, and I'm sure they do not understand the details, but I am equally certain they sense the tension in the house. I think the uncertainty, the not knowing why Mom and Dad are angry or depressed creates unbelievable anxiety in them. I think you need to come clean with them to an age appropriate level. Reassure them of your love for them, let them know you are seeking help and getting the help you need. S-anon meetings.......I found them tremendously helpful simply because I could talk with other women who have walked this path. I would encourage you to find a fellowship of women with whom you can be 100% open and honest. It may be worth driving the 100 miles.......or perhaps you should consider starting an s-anon fellowship that meets at the same time as your husband's SA meeting. If there are enough men who are meeting, there are probably an equal number of women who are in the same boat as you are and are desperately looking for other women with whom they can share experiences. My s-anon meeting meets at the same time as my husband's meeting, in the same church, different room. My first s-anon meeting was surreal. I found myself engaged in a kind of an out of body experience, looking around the room, looking at all the beauty and talent in that room, wondering "How in the *@#@$$@!) did we all end up here?" We've been faithful to our marriages, raised or are raising our children, going to church, working, juggling multiple responsibilities, contributing to society, living "correctly" in the eyes of God and society, and still......here we are........and our experiences are so similar that we can finish each others sentences after meeting for an hour. There really is no substitute for this. You need fellowship with other women. Your recovery........Please realize that you are grieving the loss of your husband. Emotionally, you are a widow. The man that you thought you were married to is effectively dead. If he had physically died, you would have the support and understanding of family, friends, church, etc. In this situation, emotionally you need that support, but it is unavailable because you feel you have to keep this a secret. Please understand that you need to find a friend in whom you can confide and receive support. You will go through the stages of grief. I know that I did, and when I reached the anger phase, for me, it hit me like a ton of bricks. If there are guns in your house, separate yourself from them now. Place them with a friend for safe keeping. You are or will be justifiably, righteously angry, and reason may succumb to emotion. When anger hit, I quite literally could have killed my husband. Please head that off at the pass now. At 10 months post discovery, the pain and anger have subsided and I am resigned to the reality: I am married to a sex addict. I am equally resolute in the following: I will live my life free of the effects of sexual addiction and pornography. Either my husband gets it together (I've given him two years to get it together) or we will divorce. I WILL NOT LIVE THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH AN ACTIVE SEX ADDICT. I'll share some of the stops along the path I took to reach this point........... "I want a mulligan." "I've been duped." "I entered this marriage under false pretenses." "My life has been a lie." "My marriage is a lie." "I'm a moron." "Why didn't I see this?" "I am a victim." "I will not be a continuing victim." "I will live the rest of my life on my own terms." I think all of those feelings are legitimate and common among women who learn relatively late in the game that they are married to sex addicts. I really resented the fact that I was immediately labeled "co-dependent" or an "enabler." BOLOGNA. If we didn't know, how can we be co-dependent? If we didn't know, how can we enable? I enabled only to the extent that I kept the balls up in the air while he was emotionally and physically absent. I enabled by being a competent and capable manager. Is that a weakness? I don't think so. I will never acknowledge that as a weakness. Marsha Means has written about the stress and trauma that we experience. She seems to be the only author who understands that we are innocent victims and that we need care and treatment as much or more than the addict. She has found that we suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder as a result of our husbands addictions. She has written "Your Sexually Addicted Spouse". I haven't finished it yet, but from what I've read, it is a good book. I also recommend "The addictive personality" by Craig Nakken. It's 120 pages. Easy read, and it does a good job explaining the addictive process. Please feel free to write with questions....or to vent. I will answer as time permits. Praying for you........ My best, Devastated Wife
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 19:58:08 GMT -7
Dear Devastated Wife,
How can I begin to thank you enough? This was my first posting on blazing grace and I wasn't sure anyone would hear me.
I am amazed at how you write about "my" life. My husband revealed his addiction to pornography and masterbation a few months ago. I didn't take it too seriously until he told me of the compulsion and frequency. Our marriage has been on rocky ground for quite some time essentially because of the lack of intimacy on his part. I think he was so completely exhausted with the stress of a failing marriage and the years of lies and cover up that he finally broke down with our marriage counselor.
Once he revealed his childhood abuse and subsequent addiction, it became one "ah hah" moment after another. Everything fell into place. Both our counselor and myself could see pretty much where his every issue came from. I know a lot about addictive behavior (but of course, didn't see this coming). He's a textbook case of the effects of abuse and addiction.
I had my bought of rage and anger about 2 weeks ago when he revealed that he had been with prostitutes and others for our entire married life. I've been grieving now (with intermittent episodes of primal screaming) for the losses you described. Now when I get angry, I usually direct it towards myself. After all, I'm an intelligent woman, 2 successful careers....what am I doing with this guy? Don't get me wrong, he's still to blame and accountable for his actions. I don't think I'm anywhere near forgiveness! Is there more anger to come?
As far as my own health, I've taken control of that. Everything was tested for and thankfully, all results came back negative. Cut off you say? Well, he's been on the couch for 2 weeks. Actually, I don't think I can even imagine him touching me.
I'm still not sure about the kids. They've known that we've been in counseling for some time. They are just not aware that it's focus has changed to addiction. Without a doubt, if they start asking questions, they will be told what's going on in an appropriate manner.
Just about an hour ago, I received an email from S-Anon with meetings in our area. I'm looking forward to attending on Tuesday. I'm confident that I will receive compassion and acceptance I've been looking for.
I too agree with you that labeling us as co-dependant or as an enabler is just plain ignorance on the part of the labeler. My suggestion to those that might do some "labeling" is to pick up a book and start talking to victims. Maybe then the labeler will see that we all don't fit the definition.
I am also a big, big reader and have been reading everything I can get my hands on. My goal is to understand as much about his addiction as possible. I was amazed at all the lifelong effects of child abuse coupled with parents who were present in body but absent in spirit. Is it wrong to have compassion for a man that has hurt me so deeply?
Since his prostitute revelation, he has barely looked at me, let alone talk to me. The loneliness and isolation I'm experiencing is deafening. I got in his face this evening, once again angry, and relayed the "accident" analogy. But as I was telling him, I realized that I wasn't angry because no one was helping me, I was angry because HE wasn't helping me. "You dumped this mess on me and then turned and walked away". His response amidst a flood of tears was "I couldn't get to you".
Am I being foolish because I have so much compassion for what he's going through? He's dealing with his addiction, child abuse, his parent issues not to mention unrealistic expectations that he's placed on himself.
I too, will not live with an active sex addict. I'm too valuable to myself and my children to be involved with a man who's actions can jeopardize our health and well being. But, I've been told to be prepared for possible relapses/slip ups. Wouldn't I be a fool to take a chance with someone that has a history? It truely is playing Russian Roulette.... with my life at stake. Who's the idiot now?
Your post mentioned 2 years. Is there an estimatable time frame to say when he will have this under control. He attends private counseling and a SA meeting weekly and keeps in touch with his sponsors. Is there true hope of recovery? Am I naive wanting to be one of those couples with success stories?
Aside from S-Anon, where do I go from here? Do I push him to answer questions? He barely can look at me. If you have the time, i would appreciate knowing some of your experiences.
Thank you once again for replying. You don't know how much it means to me.
Thanks again,
AllAlone
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 1:58:13 GMT -7
Dear Allalone,
I found my husband's porn quite by accident. You are fortunate that your husband reached the point of voluntary disclosure. When I initially confronted my husband, he blamed ME for the fact that he "needed" porn. I really think that is what triggered my rage. You may avoid the rage that I felt. I pray that you do.
My marriage had been on rocky ground since day one. Prior to discovery, I'd hauled my husband to marriage counseling for two separate series of sessions......once from a Christian perspective.......another from a purely secular perspective. The issues were his lack of engagement, inability to relate with me or the kids, etc......all classic signs and symptoms. Neither therapist put it together absolutely, but the second therapist got close and that's when he stopped attending the sessions. The common element here is that both of our marriages were in trouble because of our husbands emotional unavailability. It is/was real. It was not, as my husband attempted to allege, that I was overly "needy" or that I had "issues" with which to deal. He was emotionally absent......as was your husband. Don't let him or the therapist blame you for the fact that your needs were not being met.
The "ah hah" moments......I describe the discovery and realization that my husband is a sex addict as the framework into which all the pieces of the puzzle that I've seen over the years assembled themselves to create a technicolor picture. In one instant, everything that I'd been thinking and feeling suddenly made perfect sense. I had one ah-hah moment after another. I can remember standing in my kitchen, screaming at my husband, detailing the litany of abuses....instances of neglect........and punctuating every point with "and it never occurred to you that your behavior, your porn and masturbation habit prevented you from bonding with me and the kids?" The denial that they engage in, the stupor that overcomes them is just incredible. My husband finally admitted to me that hardcore print media porn came into our first apartment before our first anniversary. He also admitted that at the worst, he was masturbating "2 or 3 times a day." It is my understanding that addicts typically under-report their activities by 100%......meaning my husband was masturbating 4 - 6 times a day.....and in his mind this was my fault. The stupor and the denial are just incredible.
The kids.........Secrets are a common element in families with addiction. I would urge you to come clean with the kids without them having to ask. Chances are, they're not going to ask. They'll bury the experience....until it creates issues in their own lives. Then they'll deal with it. One of the things I'm trying to do is to stop the cycle. As you have clearly seen in your husband's life, this is cyclical. The sins of the father are visited on the seventh generation. You have to work to break this cycle. Unfortunately, it will probably fall to you to do this. Your husband is probably too sick to do it.
Compassion for the addict.......it is certainly not wrong to have compassion for the addict. Please guard against allowing that compassion to be used as a tool of manipulation. Please realize that you are the one who sees the situation clearly. The addict is in a drug-induced stupor. The drugs are naturally occurring, but drugs nonetheless. A porn addicted brain and a cocaine addicted brain are not materially different on MRI. For me, compassion means delivering a heaping helping of tough love. The horrific abuse that your husband suffered does not grant him license to abuse and neglect you and the kids, or to break his marriage vows, or to visit prostitutes. You have to be firm and resolute. The buck stops here. The abuse stops here. The neglect stops here. Either he gets it together or you need to leave.
Is recovery possible? I believe that sex addicts can be in recovery. I believe they will always be addicts subject to relapse and/or prone to transferring their addictions. I think you will always constantly have to be on guard. I will always have to be constantly on guard. I'm not sure that is the way I want to live. I pulled two years out of the air as the time limit primarily because that is the period after which a no-fault divorce will be granted in my state without the consent of the non-filing spouse. I really don't know how long recovery typically takes. it is probably different for every individual, but I am not going to spend any more of my life trying to make this marriage work if he is not actively in recovery. I think that time frame has to be individualized, but I think you need to pick a date certain by which to make a conscious decision about the marriage. I am not willing to muddle along and muddle my life away. I think that is part of taking charge and refusing to be a continuing victim.
He's not helping you because he can't. He's too sick. The irony of this entire situation is that he is supposed to be the earthly protector, the earthly source of help and support........but he is in fact the source of your pain, the source of the problem, the whole reason you are in the mess you are in. I can remember feeling this terrible conflict. You want comfort from him, but he's the source of the pain. There is an internal tug of war. I remember it well. You have to find the strength you need and the support you need outside of him. Lean on our Heavenly Father, lean on the women in s-anon, lean on a few carefully selected friends. It is a terrible irony.......but again......you are not alone. You are not the first person to feel this. You just have to find other sources of strength.
Praying for you......
My best, DW
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 2:40:56 GMT -7
Hi Allalone,
It sounds like your husband is taking this seriously, and is doing all he can to deal with the past that has brought him to this present. As long as he continues to do so, there is hope. We do serve a God of miracles.
Compassion is not odd at all. You will never be able to reach the point of forgiveness and healing without it.
This is just an opinion, but it seems to me that sexually abused men are decades behind sexually abused women in the process of being recognized and helped. Just as, in four years on these boards, I have never encountered a man who is seeking support because his wife is a sex addict, I think that sexual abuse is simply something that men refuse to acknowledge and seek help for.
Praying for both of you... TruthSeeker
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 3:08:22 GMT -7
I neglected to answer one of your questions......regarding questioning the addict......
I think you have every right to question the addict and demand honest, complete answers. No question is out of bounds, no question off limits.
He has violated your trust, placed you in physical danger, neglected the kids, the least he can do is answer your questions.
I peppered my husband with questions. I do not believe he was always honest with his answers. Addicts are the most adept liars in the world. I think you have to be prepared to view his answers with a healthy dose of skepticism. For me, the presumption has changed. I no longer presume my husband is telling the truth. I presume that he is lying until proven otherwise. That may not be warranted in your situation. It appears as though your husband has broken down and has come to the realization that he needs help on his own. I had to drag my husband to that realization by the collar and I think he is still playing games with me. Trust your gut. Trust your instinct.
My best, DW
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