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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 7:28:08 GMT -7
I am new to this site but not new to the problem. My husband has an addiction to porn, well for most of his life. I have only know about it for the last 5 years or so. We have been through many counselors, read many books on the subject but for the most part we have kept this issue a secret. The first time my eyes were opened I walked in on him masturbating to porn on the evening of our anniversary. I can't even describe how much that hurt. My husband was extremely apologetic and agreed to go with me to speak with our pastor. He suggested we make up some marital safeguards and recommended us to a counselor. We went to meet with her about 6 times and she decided that we needed to work on communication and spending more time together. This of course was not the problem, but not knowing any better myself I figured that she was the professional and I must not be working hard enough to meet his needs. About a year later I did something I never did before (because I wanted to be the supporting wife) I checked the computer history and it was loaded with porn sites that had been visited as far back as the history would show. This time my husband was recommended to a different councilor and I was told that I didn't need to go. During this time I started reading as much as I could on the topic and learn as much as I could. He finished his counseling sessions and swore he was done with the porn. I wanted to believe him but in my heart I knew it wasn't true. We moved from our hometown and not long after relocating, the problem arose again. The new pastor and the new counselor are true experts it seems. My husband has made loads of progress in the last few years. He has even revealed that he had been sexually abused in his childhood (a fact that he had kept a secret his whole life). He has gone through tremendous healing in this area as well as healing from his upbringing. However we are still dealing with this issue. Sometimes he will approach me and confess, other times I find out on my own. I love my husband very much and aside from this issue, he really is a great man. I am just getting tired of fighting what seems like a losing battle. I get very discouraged some days and wonder if his healing is genuine or if he is just lying yet again. Has he reached "rock bottom" I know that God is working on him, but I also recognize that it takes willingness from him. I'm sorry that I have written so much, I have just been silent too long.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2010 3:50:09 GMT -7
Dear Tired,
You didn't cause this. You can't cure it. You can't control it. This isn't about you or what you do or don't do. It's not about the time you spend together or not spend together. Don't let any counselor lay a guilt trip on you. It's him. It's ALL him. Please don't accept any of the blame. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. None. You are the victim. You have been victimized. Please do not allow yourself to be a continuing victim.
Something I learned from counseling and s-anon: "You're only as sick as your secrets." Anything that we work to keep secret has tremendous power over us. Once it is brought into the light of day, it loses power over you, over the addict. Your husband needs to join a 12-step program and come clean with other men.......who can serve as accountability partners. For your own sanity, you need the support of other women who are going through this same thing. You should probably join an s-anon group.
Reading books and going to private counseling alone will not solve or cure this. The origins of this addiction are multi-faceted, and each of the facets needs to be addressed........all the tentacles of this addiction need to be severed......or else, AS YOU HAVE CLEARLY SEEN, it will return.
1. The psychological roots: Dr. Patrick Carnes has found that 80% of sex addicts were sexually abused as children. I'm sure that abuse set your husband up for this. A good counselor should be able to help your husband heal these wounds and heal the cleaving or cleft of the soul that results.
2. The religious or spiritual roots: There is no question in my mind that this is spiritual warfare. We have been called to the front lines. The devil has identified and exploited our husband's weakness. We need to put on the whole armor of God and go to battle. Our husbands have chosen to fill the God-sized holes in their hearts with smut. Your pastor should be able to help you fight the spiritual battles.
3. Neurochemical: On MRI, the porn addicted brain is not materially different from an opiate addicted brain. Our husbands have learned to self-administer naturally ocurring, endogenous opioids by masturbating. At the root, this addiction is also a drug addiction. Most competant sexual addiction counselors suggest a period of 60 -90 days of complete abstinence where they go through withdrawl. This is necessary to correct the neurochemical mess they've made of themselves through compulsive masturbation.
4. Behavioral: Our husbands must learn to substitute healthy "feel good" behaviors for masturbation. Our husbands have learned to prefer the predictable mood alteration that accompanies porn/masturbation to the unpredictable mood alteration that accompanies relationships with PEOPLE....real people....who dare to have real wants and needs of their own. Our husbands no longer appreciate the simple, beautiful things in life....like a beautiful sunset, a beautiful hillside that is alive with fall colors, flowers, spring rain, the smell of spring rain, a brisk walk, a conversation with a loved one, a nice meal. Behavioral modification has to be a part of his treatment, but it cannot be all of his treatment.
All facets must be addressed or he will fail.
If you have been dealing with this for 5 years, without meaningful recovery, then I'd say it's time for a different approach. I tend to deliver a heaping helping of tough love..........Clear, unequivocal ultimatums, legal documents, seizure of assets, insistence on counseling and a 12-step program, church attendance, etc. I am now nearly 9 months post discovery. My husband is doing better, but he's not cured. He will never be cured. He will always be an addict in recovery and if I ultimately stay with him, I will always have to watch my back. Only you can decide how much tough love you are willing to dish out.........and whether you are willing to accept any porn or the effects of porn in your life. I have adopted a zero tolerance policy. If I find any evidence of porn in my house, he's gone.
The screen name that you've adopted suggests that you are worn down.........tired of dealing with the effects of porn in your life. I don't blame you. It is exhausting and debilitating.......if you allow it to be. Claim power and control over your life. You may be powerless over the addiction, but you can claim power and control over your life..........live it as you alone see fit. Please do not allow yourself to be worn down by this, controlled by this or manipulated by this. SEIZE THE POWER for yourself to live your life according to your morals. If your husband is not living up to his marriage vows or your moral standards, are you better of with him or without him? Only you can decide.
My best, Devastated Wife
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2010 4:56:00 GMT -7
Thank you for your reply. All these things I know. I believe every situation is unique and in my case my husband has tried to stop, without success on many occasions. We have been and still are in counseling, in a 12 step program and my husband is willing to change, it is just not that easy. I have learned that this is a sickness, not a choice. I think our biggest problem is we keep thinking we have moved past it and we let our guard down. I have spoken with my husband and we are going to step up on the counseling and have him see someone else in addition to the current counselor. My husband has many underlying reasons for being where he is and we are trying to address all of them appropriately. Whether I stay or whether I go will not change his problem. I have let this situation take my focus off of Jesus and I got discouraged. I am reminded that I made a vow to my husband to love him in sickness and in health and so long as he is willing and trying to change, I will remain by his side. I am reminded of Jesus' willingness to forgive and befriend Judas, even though he knew all along that he would betray him. I can only pray to have some of His wisdom and understanding to get me through this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2010 17:18:59 GMT -7
"in sickness and in health" is the vow you took. I applaud you for trying to keep it.
Let me remind you that HE took a vow to keep himself only unto you as long as you both shall live.
Don't let him play you........not for a minute.........not for a second.
If you are going to be bound to your vows, he has to be bound to his. If he breaks his, are you bound by yours?
I've struggled with this. "In sickness and in health" only goes as far as he is showing me real dedication and progress. All else is just theater and I refuse to play along.
Please do not allow yourself to be played.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2010 10:18:04 GMT -7
Happy to report that things are continuing to improve. Although we have a long way to go in rebuilding trust, I am confident that we are heading in the right direction. For the first time I have seen a light go on in my Husband. He is being more transparent with others regarding his struggles. Without God I would not have had the strength to get this far and I have to remind myself to continue to give my concerns over to him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 4:02:08 GMT -7
Happy to report that things are continuing to improve. Although we have a long way to go in rebuilding trust, I am confident that we are heading in the right direction. For the first time I have seen a light go on in my Husband. He is being more transparent with others regarding his struggles. Without God I would not have had the strength to get this far and I have to remind myself to continue to give my concerns over to him. Praying for you and your husband............
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2010 10:39:26 GMT -7
Hi,
I'm new to this forum. I have been married for 4 yrs, second marriage. I really need prayer. My husband stopped the porn when I told him it was finally over for us. I caught him numerous times before. I know he isn't indulging anymore at this point, I have his email password, etc. My problem is I still hate him (and love him) and distrust him. We have started counseling but I haven't made any headway as far as trust is concerned. He has a wandering eye still although he has gotten much better. He still won't admit certain things to me which I guess is one reason I still can't trust him. Anyway, I need to find a way to deal with this or I don't see how we are going to stay married. Most of the time I don't have any hope and that is an awful feeling.
CJ1419
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 13:57:51 GMT -7
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have been married for 4 yrs, second marriage. I really need prayer. My husband stopped the porn when I told him it was finally over for us. I caught him numerous times before. I know he isn't indulging anymore at this point, I have his email password, etc. My problem is I still hate him (and love him) and distrust him. We have started counseling but I haven't made any headway as far as trust is concerned. He has a wandering eye still although he has gotten much better. He still won't admit certain things to me which I guess is one reason I still can't trust him. Anyway, I need to find a way to deal with this or I don't see how we are going to stay married. Most of the time I don't have any hope and that is an awful feeling. CJ1419 (((((((((HUGS)))))))))))) You are not alone............ and I am praying for you now.
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