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Post by teetop on Oct 24, 2022 2:43:27 GMT -7
To whom are we to be accountable too? God, our spouse, our peers, the Law, our own conscience, society as a whole? The list could go on and even take many different turns to reach the answer I suspect.
It has been sometime sense I've been on here and so decided to look things over as I normally do. And some one raised the question about being accountable to their spouse using a computer program that would send alerts to your accountability partners.
Then the same person who raised the questions gave a verse comment about restoring one to the fold as it were. The verse he alluded to was Gal. 6:1
'Bear one another's burdens'
Gal 6:1 Brethren, even if a man is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, lest you too be tempted.
Gal 6:2 Bear one another's burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 6:3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
Gal 6:4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone, and not in regard to another.
Gal 6:5 For each one shall bear his own load. (NASV)
I think I need to pursue this a bit further as other descriptive words keep popping up in my mind.
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Post by KevinesKay on Oct 24, 2022 4:39:41 GMT -7
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Post by teetop on Oct 24, 2022 10:02:42 GMT -7
To whom are we to be accountable too? God, our spouse, our peers, the Law, our own conscience, society as a whole? The list could go on and even take many different turns to reach the answer I suspect.
It has been sometime sense I've been on here and so decided to look things over as I normally do. And some one raised the question about being accountable to their spouse using a computer program that would send alerts to your accountability partners.
Then the same person who raised the questions gave a verse comment about restoring one to the fold as it were. The verse he alluded to was Gal. 6:1
'Bear one another's burdens'
Gal 6:1 Brethren, even if a man is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, lest you too be tempted.
Gal 6:2 Bear one another's burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 6:3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
Gal 6:4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone, and not in regard to another.
Gal 6:5 For each one shall bear his own load. (NASV)
I think I need to pursue this a bit further as other descriptive words keep popping up in my mind.
Virgil
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Post by Ɖσмιиιc on Oct 25, 2022 18:09:06 GMT -7
That is a good verse, because we want to give glory to Jesus, and we want to be real genuinely humble, we are no better and only God is holy.
Dear God, please help us everyday. We need You Dear Jesus. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.
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Post by teetop on Oct 29, 2022 8:41:39 GMT -7
About restoring a one back into the fold. In general I look at that as being society or the Church.
I once went to see a Christian councilor about my lust and actions. I wanted to know why? Why certain things triggered my lust?
In that short session, I learned that anything I divulged breaking the law, she was under obligation to report it. I also found out more about her problems than revealing mine. In that one instant communication came to an abrupt halt.
Where does guilt or shame of your actions, feelings,and desires work for or against you and your healing? in my search to find answers I'm always on the look out for information. Here is just one example out of hundreds:
William Robertson Nicoll's Sermon Bible: Galatians 6:1
I. In considering the duty of restoring the lost and criminal, let us note, first, the spirit in which it is to be performed: "Restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." Surely this is the very opposite to the spirit of the world. That spirit refuses to consider the possibility of ourselves being tempted, parades a challenge in the face of the world to question our own purity and inviolability, and declares that we are determined never to admit the hypothesis of our becoming like the sinful. We have to put on a spirit directly contrary to that which we find around us in the world, to sit at the feet of a far different Teacher, and learn of Him. Our blessed Lord spent His life and shed His blood in devising means whereby His lost ones might be recovered to Him; and every follower of His is exhorted not to look only on his own things, but also on the things of others.
II. There was one law in which our blessed Lord summed up His social and practical precepts, one which peculiarly belongs to Him: "Whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do unto them." In by far the greater number of cases of discharged prisoners it is to be feared that evil influence prevails, and they relapse into crime; but there is a remnant in whom there is a desire, more or less earnest, to regain as much as may be of what has been lost. The whole world is against them, but we should open our doors to them, and encourage them. We should look on the fallen as our brethren, bearing their burdens, instead of disclaiming them and letting them sink under their weight, and so fulfilling the law of Christ.
H. Alford, Quebec Chapel Sermons, vol. vii., p. 195.
References: Gal_6:1.—Homilist, 3rd series, vol. i., p. 340; Christian World Pulpit, vol. vi., p. 143; E. Johnson, Ibid., vol. xiv., p. 262; H. W. Beecher, Ibid., vol. xviii., p. 22. Gal_6:1, Gal_6:2.—Ibid.., vol. xxv., p. 378; Clergyman’s Magazine, vol. iii., p. 80. Gal_6:1-5.—Homiletic Quarterly, vol. ill., p. 217. |
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Post by Ɖσмιиιc on Oct 29, 2022 21:48:59 GMT -7
About restoring a one back into the fold. In general I look at that as being society or the Church.
I once went to see a Christian councilor about my lust and actions. I wanted to know why? Why certain things triggered my lust?
In that short session, I learned that anything I divulged breaking the law, she was under obligation to report it. I also found out more about her problems than revealing mine. In that one instant communication came to an abrupt halt.
Where does guilt or shame of your actions, feelings,and desires work for or against you and your healing? in my search to find answers I'm always on the look out for information. Here is just one example out of hundreds:
William Robertson Nicoll's Sermon Bible: Galatians 6:1
I. In considering the duty of restoring the lost and criminal, let us note, first, the spirit in which it is to be performed: "Restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." Surely this is the very opposite to the spirit of the world. That spirit refuses to consider the possibility of ourselves being tempted, parades a challenge in the face of the world to question our own purity and inviolability, and declares that we are determined never to admit the hypothesis of our becoming like the sinful. We have to put on a spirit directly contrary to that which we find around us in the world, to sit at the feet of a far different Teacher, and learn of Him. Our blessed Lord spent His life and shed His blood in devising means whereby His lost ones might be recovered to Him; and every follower of His is exhorted not to look only on his own things, but also on the things of others.
II. There was one law in which our blessed Lord summed up His social and practical precepts, one which peculiarly belongs to Him: "Whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do unto them." In by far the greater number of cases of discharged prisoners it is to be feared that evil influence prevails, and they relapse into crime; but there is a remnant in whom there is a desire, more or less earnest, to regain as much as may be of what has been lost. The whole world is against them, but we should open our doors to them, and encourage them. We should look on the fallen as our brethren, bearing their burdens, instead of disclaiming them and letting them sink under their weight, and so fulfilling the law of Christ.
H. Alford, Quebec Chapel Sermons, vol. vii., p. 195.
References: Gal_6:1.—Homilist, 3rd series, vol. i., p. 340; Christian World Pulpit, vol. vi., p. 143; E. Johnson, Ibid., vol. xiv., p. 262; H. W. Beecher, Ibid., vol. xviii., p. 22. Gal_6:1, Gal_6:2.—Ibid.., vol. xxv., p. 378; Clergyman’s Magazine, vol. iii., p. 80. Gal_6:1-5.—Homiletic Quarterly, vol. ill., p. 217.
I think God is the one who restores us and teaches us to allow a brother who has committed sexual sins, if they repent. The world truly doesn't help anyone, but only gives a small kind of help. For example, child abusers will not be allowed to be "restored to society" but will be always labeled as a 'sex offender' and rightly so, but in a spiritual sense, if that person has trusted in Jesus Christ, and experienced this healing from the God of Grace where he/she has now turned away from those sins (thought and deed), then it will not matter what the world calls them, but that person will reap but whey sow, that is, lost of trust from others and only able to gain small amounts bit by bit as he/she is in a recovery setting with others who are being brutally honest about their own sexual lust, despite their specifics.
There are more grave sins I believe than others and Jesus did tell the Pharisees that they would receive the greater condemnation for their self-righteous, looking down on others, Christ-rejecting and God hating, and Holy Spirit rejecting ways....there is real hell to pay for them. But if one of them repents, it would have been God seeking them as a lost sheep and a lost sheep seeking the Sheppard as the source of their life, as it depends on it.
The world would report all child abusers or those of us men who have committed domestic violence. I was reported because I said in a counseling sessions that I spanked my child with a belt. It turned out that God showed me that what I was believing about God and punishment was wrong, but I needed to experience that kind of humiliation. They came to my house, took pictures, made all our children give one-on-one confessions about dad (me).
I have been seen by Christian and secular counselors. The Christian ones are the best. The way it works now is that we can't just pick and choose sometimes, and many times, I was given a women counselor, and this women counselor (who also led 12 step meetings) told me some of the most STUPIDEST crap. She encouraged me to masturbate because she did and I could not explain anything ot that person. She said so much crap I just left her. She said so much junk man. I couldn't take it, yet, she, a 12 step secular psychologists was teaching me, her client/patient, what I should do in my marriage (leave my wife she says). wth? No!. My wife did not leave me, how can I leave her? I was the offending one. That whole secular counseling is nonsense and not gonna help anyone be born-again, not gonna help anyone teach the ways of Christ (Matthew 28:18-20). Not going to help except take gems from the Bible, re-label them as "truth minus the Jesus" and sell you that, and you and I would be dumb to believe in them.
A women counselor can't help a man, especially in the area of sex addiction. I tried that and it failed. Even the Christian Counselor I had, would not help me but pointed me to the Bible, to Christ and His teachings and I knew what I my next steps were to go, and it was NOT man's word but God's Word that I found the answers to live.
The Lord said that He would not leave us as orphans but would send us the Counselor who is also the Comforter. I'm sorry if my tone or theology is not what you expect. I feel I have said all of this in truth and in love. I don't think anything will work, outside of the Bible, outside of honest Christian men, who want to be done with sins, including idolatry, pride, etc, and that is only found in discipleship. Amen. Thank you Jesus.
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