Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 9:54:42 GMT -7
Hi Surreyfan
You:
"Hi ManI was in no way "forcing" 2_B_ Free to forgive. Nobody can force anyone to do anything. We all make our individual choices. And she heretofore, has decided her own course; and she will continue to do what she desires to do or not to do --irrespective of anyone's advice/opinions."
I:
How do you know that?
You:
"It's true, from your perspective I "...don't get it..." But I do fully understand the biblical perspective on forgiveness/ reconciliation."
I:
You understand fully the biblical perspective in forgiveness/ reconciliation? Are you sure? How can you be sure about that?
You:
"My two bits worth does not represent my opinion. Our earthly opinions don't count a dime when they stand opposed to biblical counsel. My advice is simply what Christ has given us --that's why I quoted Scripture -- that's why I have included a number of parallel passages that corroborate the necessity of forgiving. Unlike you, I do not dole out " my opinion" -- an opinion you present that clearly stands juxtaposed against what the Bible teaches. Your advice represents the counsel of men -- not the counsel of God."
I:
Are you angry? If yes, what makes you angry? Is anger a fruit of the spirit?
You:
"Christians are exhorted to direct people into the truth - and the truth (Jesus Christ) tells us in no uncertain terms that we must forgive. Must I quote you all the verses??"
I:
Again you seem aggressive. Am I right? What makes you aggressive? Have I done anything wrong to you? What? Or do you have something to hide?
You:
"The danger in refusing/postponing forgiveness is developing a hardness of the heart within a root of bitterness. As the Apostle Paul states in Eph. 4:31, " Put away from you all bitterness and wrath, and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another."
I:
How do you think you treat me? With love?
You:
"I've seen more than a few individuals in my long life who have refused to extend forgiveness to those who have sought it sincerely within a contrite attitude."
I:
How does it help you to talk about other people?
You:
"Not one of those who took an unbiblical position by refusing to forgive had any peace or success while they remained intransigent. That should be sufficient reason for every professing Christian to close the matter quickly lest the blessing of the Lord depart completely -- in this life and potentially, in the life to come. " Pursue peace with everyone, and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springs up and causes trouble, and through it many become defiled." Heb. 12:14,15."
I:
How do you think you manage to pursue peace with me in here?
You seem to be controlling and aggressive. If I am right, what makes you angry? People who are controlling are usually full of fear, I think.
Love cast out fear. Controlling people have so much fear and so little love that they need to try to control the circumstances?
You seem to be aggressive? Who are you angry at? Yourself? You haven't admitted your problems and forgiven yourself so you are angry at yourself? You punish yourself and blame yourself for that, and you project it on me?
May the Lord bless you!
Amen
You:
"Hi ManI was in no way "forcing" 2_B_ Free to forgive. Nobody can force anyone to do anything. We all make our individual choices. And she heretofore, has decided her own course; and she will continue to do what she desires to do or not to do --irrespective of anyone's advice/opinions."
I:
How do you know that?
You:
"It's true, from your perspective I "...don't get it..." But I do fully understand the biblical perspective on forgiveness/ reconciliation."
I:
You understand fully the biblical perspective in forgiveness/ reconciliation? Are you sure? How can you be sure about that?
You:
"My two bits worth does not represent my opinion. Our earthly opinions don't count a dime when they stand opposed to biblical counsel. My advice is simply what Christ has given us --that's why I quoted Scripture -- that's why I have included a number of parallel passages that corroborate the necessity of forgiving. Unlike you, I do not dole out " my opinion" -- an opinion you present that clearly stands juxtaposed against what the Bible teaches. Your advice represents the counsel of men -- not the counsel of God."
I:
Are you angry? If yes, what makes you angry? Is anger a fruit of the spirit?
You:
"Christians are exhorted to direct people into the truth - and the truth (Jesus Christ) tells us in no uncertain terms that we must forgive. Must I quote you all the verses??"
I:
Again you seem aggressive. Am I right? What makes you aggressive? Have I done anything wrong to you? What? Or do you have something to hide?
You:
"The danger in refusing/postponing forgiveness is developing a hardness of the heart within a root of bitterness. As the Apostle Paul states in Eph. 4:31, " Put away from you all bitterness and wrath, and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another."
I:
How do you think you treat me? With love?
You:
"I've seen more than a few individuals in my long life who have refused to extend forgiveness to those who have sought it sincerely within a contrite attitude."
I:
How does it help you to talk about other people?
You:
"Not one of those who took an unbiblical position by refusing to forgive had any peace or success while they remained intransigent. That should be sufficient reason for every professing Christian to close the matter quickly lest the blessing of the Lord depart completely -- in this life and potentially, in the life to come. " Pursue peace with everyone, and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springs up and causes trouble, and through it many become defiled." Heb. 12:14,15."
I:
How do you think you manage to pursue peace with me in here?
You seem to be controlling and aggressive. If I am right, what makes you angry? People who are controlling are usually full of fear, I think.
Love cast out fear. Controlling people have so much fear and so little love that they need to try to control the circumstances?
You seem to be aggressive? Who are you angry at? Yourself? You haven't admitted your problems and forgiven yourself so you are angry at yourself? You punish yourself and blame yourself for that, and you project it on me?
May the Lord bless you!
Amen