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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 15:29:43 GMT -7
There seem to be a couple of views on the topic of Masturbation.
1) is that it is a sin, because it is lumped in to the whole "Lust" and Sexual Immorality issue.
2) It is not a is from a biblical position because it is not specifically mentioned as a sin.
What we are talking here is the Act, NOT the imagination induced by Pornography, which as I see it is a separate issue.
So which is it?
Sin or not?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 2:16:37 GMT -7
Hi Wandering,
The perspective of the founder of this site, Mike, is found here. www.blazinggrace.org/cms/bg/masturbation
If you wish to challenge his understanding, I suggest you do so through PM.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 8:40:57 GMT -7
I suggest all three pages of posts on the subject could be deleted. As we are not permitted to debate the subject on this forum, what is the point of having this topic and all its threads which does exactly that? The Accountability thread is where it should be mentioned in the context of efforts and intention to stop. It would save people wasting their time reading through all these posts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 15:09:58 GMT -7
I would say that since the Early Church was formed in the public open are forums of ancient Rome, and the aspect of debate was practiced by Christ himself. It is not too much to ask for those in the modern era who are claiming to be his followers to do at least what he did. That does not sound like what you guys are doing here on this board.
And "We are not allowed to Debate the Issue" is NOT a christian response. A Marxist one maybe, but thank God Jesus was not a Marxist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 15:38:58 GMT -7
I'm only an interested and rather peripheral member of the board, not part of the management, but my understanding of the board's purpose is to provide support for those dealing with sexual addiction, not to be a locus for political and religious debate. If sexual addiction isn't a problem for you or if you're not here to offer and receive that support by just to revel in disagreements, I wonder if you wouldn't be happier on some forum designed for debate?
Might I also gently and respectfully suggest that in my experience, I find it more profitable to examine my own heart for traces of anger and resentment than to try to do that for others.
Just how it's working for me, of course.
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 17:36:49 GMT -7
Honestly Tim It seems your, real issue here may be one of codependency on another person. In this case your Wife.
So it may be that from that perspective you need to let go.
I think that is part of the whole thing of becoming a christian in the first place, is letting go of issues, and latching on to God. Until you can do that, there will always be problems.
I will tell you this much though, the fastest way to lose her will be latching on even tighter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 1:42:16 GMT -7
Wandering,
Codependency is certainly a part of my makeup, but It's part of a larger picture, and it's nowhere near the central problem.
Whatever you're imaginatively projecting onto my relationship with my wife doesn't apply to us. If you have experience, strength and hope to share from your own marriage, I'd read it with interest, but you are wasting everyone's time by talking instead about my family, which you do not understand at all. How is this advancing either your recovery or anyone else's?
I agree that surrender, equanimity, and releasing both clinging and aversion are all tools that lead to peace and happiness. Rather than attempting to guess where I am most falling down in these endeavors, are there things you want to share about your own progress? Yesterday you recommended a website to me that was the most angry and aversive thing I've read in ages. Its attitudes may not be yours, of course, but I wonder if there are things you feel like sharing about giving up angrily blaming others?
I'll make one more plea for the experience of the 12-step fellowships that we best advance both our own recovery and that of our fellows by looking within ourselves and openly and honestly trying to share our own experience, strength and hope, not by trying to fix others. That's obviously not something you're doing. You've hidden yourself completely. We don't know if you have a problem with sex or porn. We don't know if you've made any progress finding freedom. We don't know whether you're a Christian, though we know you think we aren't. We don't know if you're married. We mostly only know what you don't like - the ground rules for discussion set by the owners of the board, certain political philosophies, women, us, etc.
I don't think you can help either yourself and others unless you're able to come out of hiding and be honest about yourself, and unless you're able to show that your experience has left you with something positive to share. Are those things you're open to considering, or is it time to accept either that you're just here to stir up drama, or at minimum, that we have nothing to say to one another?
I'm trying hard to treat you not as a troll but as someone who is sincere in his desire to overcome his own addiction and to help others in their recovery, but the combination of hiding yourself and focusing on the faults of others is not making it easy. Any chance you can open up?
Peace,
Tim M.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 2:53:39 GMT -7
Well said, Tim.
My best, DW
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 3:25:17 GMT -7
My post was dictatorial. I apologize to the board members who want a topic on this subject dealt with separately here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 3:55:36 GMT -7
Hi Wandering,
Perhaps, as you appear convinced of your spiritual superiority, it is time for you to shake the cyber-dust off of your cyber feet, as apparently you did several years ago. Please feel free to officially unsubscribe on your way "out of town."
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